(long post) 5 years of getting what you want you have NO right to say #nochanges for the anniversary realms

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Title says it all but for real you guys are acting like a bunch of brats. Seriously. 5 years of saying #NOCHANGES to every post people begged for some tiny updates and not even bothering to hear their opinion, just scroll down to the replies and write “#nochanges”. The changes they applied were so miniscule you can’t even notice it because of the fact they are solid QoL changes (Changes designed to save time and grant equal opportunity but not core gameplay). You want you’re #nochanges do you? THEN GO BACK TO REGULAR VANILLA SERVERS just as you’ve been screeching to us to go play SoD or retail to us for the past 5 years.

dUaL SpEC RuInED mY DrUId. Shut up. The druid is already the most pathetic healer, dps and tank in classic WoW. We’re talking if you’re gear/talents is not 100% focused on healing power, spell power, AP Hit/Crit or enhanced armor rating your druid is not doing anything for the groupand with that knowledge they cannot multiclass properly and we’ve known this for years. Thats why most raiding guilds literally only take 1 whopping druid into Naxx and AQ 40. Strictly for the gift of the wild buff for the raid team and thorns for tanks. Don’t blame me for this information just yourself for not knowing it.

Layering is ruining the pvp!..
How? Like most pvp servers have been hilariously and hopelessly imbalanced population wise. It got to a point where blizzard literally gave FREE SERVER TRANSFERS to leave the hopeless situation for certain factions. How are you possibly upset about layering added to world pvp? Is it because you can’t win the 20v3 gankathon anymore in stranglethorn? I’m sowwie… :frowning: maybe try winning at pvp when the enemy has an equal chance for a change? That might be fun.

Well removing the debuff limit will simplify boss fights into jokes!
First of all hardcore servers already proved that wrong by adding more health to raid bosses. Second the bossfights are already jokes most people crush MC, ZG, AQ20 and most of BWL with world buff runs(sometimes without world buffs), like they legit kill bosses before the poor things can even use their fight mechanics(look up the speed run world record of BWL and tell me the bosses are not already trivialized). Third seriously people want to play more than just the warrior class and a lot of classes and specs can’t even shine because of the fact their entire dps build is designed around debuffs, Ex:Shadow priest, Afflict lock, Kitty druid, Paladin…and everything that isn’t a frost mage, rogue or fury warrior.

GDKP BAN!? Yeah. There is so much to unpack with this but the realest answer is thus: You should be playing WoW to play WoW. Not buying your way to the end credits. Make friends, use those friends to make a guild, raid with your guild, kill the dragon, get the epic loot and have a good time. If the only way you see to enjoy this game is to literally get carried the entire way to have good gear so you can carry someone else for gold and use that gold to carry your next toon then like…are you even playing or are you just trying to show off prestige you didn’t even earn? Whats the point of a trophy if you did nothing to earn it?

I’ll say it again. After 5 years. FIVE. WHOLE. YEARS. Enough time to where a bunch of us have new crotch-spawns crawling around the house. You have NO RIGHT whatsoever to be begging for #nochanges after you’ve gotten 5 entire years and maybe another 5 years of what you asked for. If you want classic “aS It wAs InTeNDeD” because clearly the same developers who did classic, TBC, wrath, cata and yes even MoP really intended vanilla WoW to be like that then just go play on the regular classic servers instead of the anniversary servers.

Thank you. Have a lovely day.

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this is a somewhat contradictory sentence lol

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SOOO, just play retail then.

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“5 years of getting what you want”? ROFLMAO.

I get what you mean if it’s related to Era existing even though it’s had many changes. The “Vanilla” group has been luckier than the TBC or Wrath fans that’s for sure, and those who wanted Era realms for these are the only ones who can fairly make threads like this.

However, the people who have spent 5 years getting what they want are those who have gleefully been lapping up every #somechanges thing Blizzard has done with Classic since TBCC. Double so if they are also gleefully lapping up everything Blizzard has done with Retail too.

The only time I really got what I wanted from Blizzard was Vanilla Nov 2004 - Jan 2007, and Classic 2019 Aug 2019 - May 2021. Outside of that, and “Era with changes” things have gone downhill and all I see is the people with opinions such as yours getting their way constantly by like-minded devs who have those like you as their pet audience. The craziest part is those like you not even seeing the being spoiled and catered to for the last at least 3.5 years for what it is.

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I’m sure we wanted blizzard to open up transfers with no limitations or controls to consider faction balance or anything.

Or to make same faction bg’s. The queue times being the one thing that would put pressure on faction balance in tbc.

Or to bring the wow token.

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OP is not really wrong.

This classic experiment has gone above and beyond to bring the most “complete” and “unchanged” versions of classic to players with only a few changes to make the game feel better. Like increasing the drop rate of Atiesh fragments before it was gone this time around.

Then they had 2 temporary servers that catered to changes. People still massively complained despite how popular they were. For some reason even the fact that they were temporary and experimental did not sit well with these guys.

Then we had hardcore, which is extremely popular, especially in the streaming community. Theres always something wild going on there.

Now we’ve come full circle and released new unchanged servers but with 3 whole changes and people are losing their minds, despite the untouched servers still being available.

I think people just like to complain. You could change the color of the shrubbery from brown to green, to make it look slightly less ugly, and this community would lose their minds.

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I’m all for changes, just not crappy ones. Some of the changes on the anniversary realms are fine. Some, like dual spec, take away from the game.

Your example in defense is a druid, probably the most robust offspec talent class in the game. You an heal as resto, you can heal as feral, and you can heal as balance. If you feel compelled to respec every week as a Druid then you’re min maxing too hard and while that’s certainly your choice, you can pay the cost for that choice.

Improving the game with key changes that adhere to Vanilla design principles is great. Diluting the game with QoL conveniences that obscure, or otherwise eliminate, meaningful player choice driven by intentionally designed adversity is not.

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However many years, we have never had #NoChanges servers, so there is nowhere to go back to.

While personally I do hope that people who wanted fresh Era, TBC servers, etc. are happy with the Anniversary realms and are enjoying dual spec and all the dungeon reset changes, changes to mobs, etc. they have continuously made changes to the various offerings, including Era.

That would be a great choice, if such a thing existed.

Thank you, you too.

:woman_shrugging:

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it did :expressionless: i was literally going to play a druid but when i heard about dual spec my entire idea for a hybrid spec druid was destroyed. so then i rolled a rogue, intent on ganking lowbies to vent my frustration.

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Very true.

I spoke against all of that stuff. MANY times. Along with MANY other things that got changed, including to Era, anyway. Some of the same people who are pleased now wanted these other changes and got their way over and over.

A fresh after 5 years with next to no changes on “proper” servers would have been a dream, but I didn’t expect a lot anymore, especially after some things that these devs have done within the last few years.

After 5 years I’m not sure why the exact same audience that #somechanges and SoD were for should get their way AGAIN, but here we are. The thread title was so ridiculously wrong that I had to comment. The “long list” of things doesn’t accurately touch on my real concerns either so no reason to make the posts even longer.

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What’s with this?

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They’re a lot more noticeable than you probably realize. “Small changes” can have a major impact on the meta.

Boons created a whole strategy around where to boom and unboon in raids. I can tank twin emps on my warlock with full buffs for months without having to rebuff. This means less warlocks out in the world doing world buffs things. You can reboon on Razuvious so you don’t have to worry about bad luck with mind control breaking early.

The change to the honor system has caused a massive exodus from WSG and AB. Now it’s all AV. Nothing but AVs. You want WSG so you can PvP for fun and not honor farming? Whelp get ready to wait anywhere from 20 minutes to next WSG weekend. Thanks new honor system!

Meta forms around what a game is. Changing even the smallest things will almost certainly shift the meta and that small change has a huge impact.

Fortunately fresh is its own thing. But I can understand the frustration of those who wanted a no changes fresh, especially considering there’s already seasonal servers which allow for vanilla with changes.

Druid healing is massively underrated. It’s just that druids are afraid to use rejuvenation because of the buff limit. People might realize this more in fresh with the buff limit removed. Also druid is an absurdly good PvP healer. They’re the best PvP healer for sure horde side and very close to being as good as paladin healing Alliance side.

It’s more about faerie fire, actually. Thorns is pretty trash. Not even worth the buff slot in a world with buff limits. But yes 1 druid is optimal.

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i agree, we should get barber shop!!!

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Why do so many non-vanilla players constantly want to change the game?

Just play something else if you don’t like it.

If the change is minor, then live without it. and if it isn’t a small change, then you clearly don’t know the ramifications because you guys don’t actually play this game until it was hyped up.

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Wait until you realize that it’s vanilla players who do want it changed

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IF we had had #NoChanges you’d have been right. But we never did. Why do you think that #NoChanges ever came to be a thing? For 5 whole years we have been pointing out all those changes?

I would be happily staying in the Era serves with not a word ever IF we were given true #NoChanges Vanilla Era, #NoChanges TBC Era and #NoChanges Wrath servers – of course with HC servers as well (Those with the necessary #HC-Changes).

UNTOUCHED!!! You clearly do not remember Vanilla. And why should we not be givern TBC and Wrath in an unchanged version? We never had this.

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“I have kids, therefore you have no rights to nochanges in WoW Classic.”
Man these people always think they are so important.

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LOL WUT?

you’re either ignorant or trolling

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Go play SoD if you want lots of changes.

They have already made changes to FRESH and some of them are already bad. Like the mega server changes.

We don’t want anymore changes.

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Changes they made to TBC and Wrath were largely in-line with making the experience better. There were barely any changes at all anyways.

My unchanged comment was about era.

World of warcraft is ever changing guys. If you only want the exact version that perfect to you, you will never get it from a subscription based game. Not now, not ever. You should set up your own private server that never changes if that is what you want. This isn’t a PS2 game that is going to be the same everytime you pop in the disc. If you never swallow that pill you will be on these forums pissed for the next 1-2 decades because you’ll never get what you want.