Lol WoW pay to win confirmed

[Anon-dalaran]

@Reshyk-cenarion-circle

You know that guilds fit under that definition, right.

Again,

@Anon-dalaran

some people can get in for free due to either skills/nepotism/references.

@Anon-dalaran

and some people can get in by paying gold. that can be bought by tokens. that can be bought by real life money.

Read this. I gotchu

[Erythrae-stormrage]

@Reshyk-cenarion-circle

I don’t see how those are any different and why one should be pay to win when the others aren’t.

Because Blizzard isn’t selling you the gear or the achievement. You’re basically paying someone else to play the game for you.

[Allibankalt-stormrage]

Rehashing points that have already been proven wrong does nothing to help your argument

[Anon-dalaran]

@Ixenn-area-52

This can and does exist without outside IRL cash sources.

sure it does, I bet one of the guilds spokepersons told you that.
Totally.

[Allibankalt-stormrage]

@Erythrae-stormrage

You’re basically paying someone else to play the game for you.

If it involves another player, its not p2w

[Profìen-area-52 (Profìen)]

So one of the top 5 guilds does it, that means everyone will will be doing it

#ImagineTakingAnonSeriously

[Jogrul-zuljin]

The people who buy the boosts I’m sure didn’t buy tokens. They legit farmed herbs for days I’m sure.

To think tokens aren’t somewhere involved the world first race is kinda out there.

[Ixenn-area-52]

@Anon-dalaran

sure it does, I bet one of the guilds spokepersons told you that.
Totally.

It’s gold for gear.
Nobody told me anything. It is a fact that you can pay people for their raid gear for gold.
The transaction does not constitute to pay to win.

You’re also acting like acquiring tier sets is all they need to win. These people still put in tons of effort and skill (and most of them dont even achieve their goal).

[Gabitha-nagrand (Gabitha)]

You do know people have been paying for carries since vanilla WoW. Long before tokens ever were a thing.

[Erythrae-stormrage]

@Allibankalt-stormrage

@Erythrae-stormrage

You’re basically paying someone else to play the game for you.

If it involves another player, its not p2w

But even in principle it doesn’t make any sense. Boosters aren’t winning anything, and everyone can tell that they’re boosted by simply looking at their .io.

[Anon-dalaran]

@Profìen-area-52

So one of the top 5 guilds does it, that means everyone will will be doing it

It’s not like we have boosting communities still.

#imaginetryingto

[Allibankalt-stormrage]

@Erythrae-stormrage

Boosters aren’t winning anything

So whats the P2W argument then?

[Reshyk-cenarion-circle (Reshyk)]

@Erythrae-stormrage

You’re basically paying someone else to play the game for you.

Yep. That’s why I don’t do it. I raid for the sport of raiding so I don’t see the point in paying someone else to play the game for me.

I don’t see how that makes it pay to win though. Blizzard isn’t involved in the transaction either way. I’m asking what makes those various methods of getting carried different. What you said applies to all of those methods. I’m asking why only one of the methods of getting carried is pay to win when none of the others are.

[Dokthar-wyrmrest-accord]

farming herbs is p2w according to the logic in this thread.

[Gabitha-nagrand (Gabitha)]

Scratching ones own bum is p2w according to this thread.

[Allibankalt-stormrage]

Hey!

I pay someone to do that for me

[Krad-moon-guard]

@Anon-dalaran

a raid leader of one of these guilds specifically said they paid 95 mil gold to people just so they can funnel tier pieces to their raiders. and theyre doing the same thing today

You can only purchase a max of 20 tokens per week and a token right now only gives 173k. So the dude would’ve had to buy roughly 550 tokens which is $11,000 over the course of nearly 6 months.

I agree that WoW tokens make certain things P2W but that’s an awful example.

[Allibankalt-stormrage]

@Krad-moon-guard

I agree that WoW tokens make certain things P2W but that’s an awful example.

Because there are no good examples of P2W

[Reshyk-cenarion-circle (Reshyk)]

@Allibankalt-stormrage

I pay someone to do that for me

It’s true. I keep the invoices for tax purposes.

[Anon-dalaran]

@Krad-moon-guard

I agree that WoW tokens make certain things P2W but that’s an awful example.

Ngl You’re prob the only one that has a decent argument.

But counterpoint to yours, thats per server. They can do that to all the other servers.
these guilds are given huge amounts of money from their sponsors so 11k dollars isnt gonna be an issue.