I totally agree. I cant really get in mythics since this started. it was a dumb move.
Some feel this way about raiding and pvp as well.
Which is why valor shouldnt have a cap in the first place, it wouldn’t devalue the work put in currently that we did prior to the uncap. Just raise valor requirement for 13/13 if needed to 2800 if people care that much but then that opens up elitism and other problems/complaints.
No one really wins with any decision. We all want to be strong, get gear fast and be the best over other people. We’re humans, it’s in our nature to be greedy and selfish and host power over others below yourself.
I see a 1200io in my random 14 key, inside myself I go “heh what a pleb”. Someone who is 3k sees me in their 19 they go “what a noob”
so you’re telling me my 250 ilvl hunter started his own key as he ding last night and got 4 runs in mythic didnt even took 5mins to create my group and you cant?
Why does it matter. You act like everyone doesn’t have to spam M+.
Its not healthy for the game to have everyone raid logging week 2 of the expansion.
If they let you get full 415 that early it would be just like classic wow is now, or how DF is going to be in 1-2 weeks.
I finished upgrading everything and will now be raid logging - and either 1 or 4 +20s a week for 3 GV slots, and the weekly profession stuff that takes an hour.
I heavily doubt people were hitting 2400-2500 week 1-2. VERY few did.
Ye, now it takes you only measly 60 runs of +2 to get the weapon from that dungeon to max 
…but ye i guess theres atleast the option if you wanna grind it…and you also still gettibg something even for runs which were over cap before.
Week 2 sure…but week 1 no way.
Dont believe you.
edit:mby youre right and im ignorant. Just didnt think thats possible…but mby is idk …anyway im sorry.
IMO when valor gets uncapped the upgrade costs should be backloaded into the higher item levels, so instead of 2000 to take a trinket from 1/13 to 6/13 it should be like 600 but then spread the other 1400 over the last 7 upgrades
Nah, i think all the items should cost the same, 250or less for one upgrade. Weapons trinkets …everything. .no matter if the valor is uncapped or not…its unbeliveable that you need 12000 valor just for the weapon. Imho.
It should be similar to how making a system to send primal chaos to your alts, quick way to get some 392 gear to get you going, but then still have to work to get it higher ilvl
Totally believable, I’ve had plenty of 6-7 minute runs.
Just run your own key?
When valor gets uncapped it is the best environment for casual players to get some score. It’s a good thing when seasoned players are encouraged to help new or returning players out or maybe an alt.
defintely doable. And that’s not a rush everything run
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/983487695751884840/1075990327753703525/image.png
Which is why it should be uncapped from the start.
At the start, we were spamming M+ for gear fighting against complete RNG, which takes hours. Rerunning the same key for my Blazebinders Hoof can take several hours. Uncapping valor doesn’t change that. Spamming 2s for a bunch of valor is still time commitment.
You guys kill me with this “effort” thing. It’s obvious we all have our own definition on what makes an “effort” so we might as well end that conversation.
6 are worth doing and that’s most of the raid, but I get what you’re saying.
You guys need to talk to Blizzard about raid reward structure and end it there. Don’t try to change M+.
Ye im stupid…ive just checked my own run i did yesterday…6:12…
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Doing 16+ over and over for concentrated infusions is just as mind numbing.
This is some top tier bait right here.
for the likes of this we need the battle tags on forums. So we can actually laugh at them.