I think they just need to merge the two and be done with it. Give us a way to swap in midflight at this point and stop all the nonsense.
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no pathfinder and instant switch inflight would have been a huge win for themâŚ
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Since BC, every expansion has had flight taken away at the start. In Wrath, it was level and gold cost, in Cata, a gold cost, in MoP, level and gold cost. It was only in WoD that pathfinder came to be.
For me, the current form of Pathfinder is just a return to BC/Wrat/MoP.
Also, donât say I donât like something. I actually donât intend to purposely use DR, to the point I will likely put one of my ground only mounts, on my bar to use as I level up. I like to explore on the ground, I like to have a reason to use my collection of ground only mounts at least for the initial leveling.
Again, donât spak for others.
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None of anything you said actually disproves my statement that you donât like having steady flying taken away when dragonriding is still available. If you liked it, youâd have said so.
Youâre accustomed to having flight taken away - doesnât say you liked it. You liked exploring on the ground, which you plan to do in TWW even with dragonriding available, and thatâs fine. You can choose to stay on the ground even though flying is available - just like you could if steady flying werenât taken away. There is no reason to prevent people with limitations/disabilities from being able to play WoW just to arbitrarily gatekeep something that should be in the game from the beginning. Itâs indefensible.
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If I can do it on the ground, so can they. They are not being prevented from playing WoW, unless you mean to say that those that canât dragonride are also unable to use ground mounts
The reason I can choose to go via ground is cause the zones are ground mount friendly. So, tell me again how those with disabilities are prevented from playing?
Oh, sorry, I was not aware you were the kind of idiot that needs specific direct sdtatements:
I LIKED having flight taken away so I would not be tempted to take the eay path, I LIKED having it taken away as it gave me reasons to use my ground mounts, I LIKED having it taken away as it gave me a reason to explore as I levled instead of just goign from point A to point B.
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This is me. I have no good memories with Dragonriding and never had a desire to use it (even on evokers). But, I enjoy seeing the game. Even at 400% it can be tough to see the cool little details in certain areas. Making Skyriding the primary flight in TWW seems like a bad call. You put all this effort into creating this elaborate underground world for us. And then youâre gonna tell us fly at 800% so I canât see and enjoy any of it?
Honestly, Pathfinder (if it is going to remain in the game at all) should be disassociated with flying entirely. If you donât WANT the players flying until a certain point, let THAT QUEST REWARD be zone flying. And make Pathfinder give something like zone specific TMog or mount, or something like that. But donât lock a specific type of flight behind PF. Especially when that type is what the large majority of your playerbase has been used to there entire career.
This being said, as someone who doesnât care for Skyriding, I do see where there could be benefit to the 800%. Bring back massive cross continent class quests. TWW would have been a good time to bring back the Legion Artifact idea. Before going into the first raid tier quests, you have to do a massive zone wide quest to arm yourself with a unique weapon. Not necessarily the borrowed power of the Expac, but your defining weapon. Or cloak or whatever. But something specific to your class, but also requires you to have been through a lot of the new zone. So then you deal with flight paths for hours or just burn out with a skyriding mount. Enjoy tearing it up through the zone, blazing past characters trying to get to their class quest. Holding your head high as you unlock a massive power up going into the first raid tier.
Then Skyriding has a unique purpose for those who donât like it. They might use it for this one personal event. But neither flight is locked behind a pseudo meta achievement.
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yeahâŚIon has reduced the PF requirements so much that its not even consequential at all nowâŚwhatâŚa week tops?
and it affects whatâŚ0.1% of the entire player base? lmao.
And we got jokers in here claiming its ânecessaryâ ?
Necessary to whatâŚexactly?
Keep a few hundred disabled players on the ground for a week while millions of others are flying day one?
Tell me how that benefits the game AT ALLâŚlol
What never ceases to amaze me about this forum is how some line up to defend illogical, invalid crap like this particular thing and manâŚthey will fight to the end of time over it as if it has ANY actual validity to it at allâŚwhich just makes it even more laughably pathetic.
I get it IF they didnt get itâŚbut you KNOW they do.
Theyre literally only in here to listen to themeselves argue about something with someone lmao
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I can agree with that at least.
But on topic, I sure wish Blizz will take our views seriously about why many of us are not happy with these changes.
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I think some of the issue there is they donât see the issue, like canât/have issues with dragonriding? here are your ground mounts to use to earn steady flight and we made it so the zones are friendly to such. It is not that they donât hear but that they think they have the solution but too many players want thigns one way and heaven help anyone that does not do it that way.
Pathfinder will be necessary for me in TWW because I despise Skyriding and actively avoid using it. It is one of the reasons I skipped DF campaign. Partly I came back from WoD in late DF and I truly hated Blizz for thinking up Dragonriding at all. So I figured Iâd wait until TWW to get back into the campaign. I know itâs not going to force me to skyride to complete the campaign. But there will no doubt be parts designed around it minimum. So for players like me who donât like the mechanic, or have illness caused by it. We are now being forced into Pathfinder if we want to comfortably fly. Or just accept we wonât be able to fly at all and have to decide if itâs worth participating in the expac. Which then means is it worth paying for a sub anymore if I canât truly enjoy the new content.
Iâm not saying remove Pathfinder. Itâs been something fun that most players enjoy from what Iâve read. Iâm just saying why does flight need to be associated with it anymore. Especially when your Expac is designed with skyriding in mind? Steady flight is just that bust slower. Why cant I take my questing at my pace? Why cant I enjoy the zone in questing through instead of being reminded of a certain excerpt from âFahrenheit 451â (referring to billboards being miles long because everyone was driving so fast.)
If itâs ok to Skyride in TWW why is it not ok to Steady?
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Thereâs no need for insults. I havenât insulted you and I wonât. If you want people to understand exactly what you want to say, then say exactly what you mean.
Your reply just goes to show how tone deaf and silly their current pathfinder approach is. They arenât catering to you, because flying is still available as skyriding. There is no one that wants steady flying taken away but skyriding to remain. Given that theyâve already given up on taking flying away entirely because so many people hated that, they need to just have it all in there from the beginning. Telling disabled people they can do it on the ground when everyone else is flying is not okay. If you think it is, you might want to re-examine your position.
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This has not been the experience at all for me or for anyone I know that plays WoW. Pathfinder was always just a chore you had to do, and a lot of the requirements were a big hassle in the first few versions of it.
Blizzard almost killed WoW entirely in Warlords of Draenor by saying they were removing flying and never bringing it back. Pathfinder was their compromise to keep people on the ground some of the time. Now that theyâre not keeping people on the ground, itâs completely nonsensical to remove steady flying for Pathfinder. If they want to keep the achievement they should repurpose it.
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shouldnt even be inthe game at all at this point for reasons I stated aboveâŚ
THE reasonâŚSUPPOSEDLYâŚfor PFâs creation was to keep us on the ground so we could âexploreâ the content first.
THAT is what Ion and the company SAID it was for.
And now thats no longer an argument for pathfinder given the fact that just under 100% of us will all be on skyriding mounts on day one.
NOwâŚwatch someone from that side come back with some joke about it being FAR more than just a percent or less needing steady flight and literally argue against their own points theyve made when theyve said that its only a small number of players having trouble with Skyriding lmao
Id bet money at least one of them will do it. lol
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When i hit WoD the first time, yeahâŚPF nearly made me quit the game entirely.
I took a break and came convinced myself to come back and give Legion a shot since it was current at the time.
Had Legion content sucked Id likely have just quit entirely. WoD had crap content with the garrison AND pathfinder? lmaoâŚDOUBLE the reasons reason to quit.
Exactly.
PF was for ALL OF US TO EXPLORE the content BEFORE getting flight.
That hoax of a reason died when dragonriding was achieved in about one hour of starting DF content.
Its just hilariously entertaining to watch the joke arguments in here defending this PF nonsense as if exploration on the ground is still a thing, lmao
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Maybe Iâm high AF but this made zero sense to me 
are you saying Iâm arguing against my own point? Because Iâm consistently saying remove flight from PF if you want to keep it in the game. Iâm consistently asking why itâs ok to Skyride but not steady fly.
Iâm not against either of your points.
But if youâre going to sit there and tell me to stop playing because I donât like one feature of the game is ignorant. If I keep my sub then I will just farm old content. And watch YT to keep up with the story. I will enjoy this game how I want, and when I no longer enjoy the game I will stop subbing.
But the forums are a place for players to voice their opinions on features or bugs. And Iâm voicing my opinion on Skyriding. Its being mismanaged.
There are plenty of other things to associate with Pathfinder. It doesnât need to be flying anymore.
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Oh, you did, but loke the fool you are, you did not see it. I find it insulting when people speak for me, or try to make jt sound like I donât know what I like/dislike. I want people to understand what I say, but I also want them to comprehend what is being said as well as what is not being said, like would it be much to connect âI like to explore on the groundâ with âoh, he likes having flight removed at the start as it gives him reason to do thisâ?
Oh, look, another putting words in others mouths, another insult.
Let me shed some light on it: I donât target just disabled people with my statements. Anyone that does not like to use DR, or canât use it, for any reason has the ground as an option. Not everyone will be flying using DR, so maybe the better argument might be âtelling disabled people they can do it on the ground when others have a choice between doing it by air or ground is not okayâ. If the argument is more based on choice for all, I have little argument, if it is worded like everyone but x will be doing y, sorry, try again,
I never said they were, so what was your point here?
Come again if they announce that steady flight is being removed altogether
They who? If you mean Blizzard, where have they said this? Or is this just your take?
Sorry for any confusionâŚId say we agree 100%
Ive never said to keep PF in the game. Not once except as an acheive to get a mount or something. It should be gone gone as a requirement for flight.
RightâŚand Id say that is Ions obstinance with old flight. He just cant let it go, evidently.
He has to keep PF in the game for somethingâŚso I guess he decided it was a good idea to target handicapped, disabled and lesser abled players with PF given hes letting everyone else fly day one without PF.
Absolutely agree
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If you like being on the ground at the beginning why are you defending skyriding so hard then? Youâre gonna have it from the beginning and itâs even less immersive than steady flight. At least with steady flight I can see when Iâm about to pass something cool and stop.
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Ok Iâm so sorry 
I thought you were talking about me. I was like, âwait I thought we agreed why are they lambasting me nowâ bwahahaha. My apologies
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