Except for people playing on pvp or pve realms.
One side wants world pvp,one side doesn’t.
If they merged all the oceanic servers together into one big server you can bet I’d be happy I’d be able to find groups for dungeons and raids.
But all the world pvpers would whine that they can’t jump unsuspecting lowbies while they are questing anymore and would at best just harass lowbie questing areas until they got one big free for all therefore ruining non pvpers questing experience.
Some of those NPCs take ages to respawn.
That’s why I left Frostmourne for Dath’remar back in the day.
True, but I would also like to know how many people complaining/voting are people who have actively played classic/tbc, vs how many are people who either haven’t bothered, or play retail, and are just interested because it’s wrath. Frankly, I dont think those are the people blizzard should be listening to assuming they make up the majority of the people who are seriously upset about no LFD. Theres multiple different factors at play and it is really hard to gauge all of them without an official survey on it from blizzard.
This is an assumption with no data to back to support it. That said, knowing this is pretty important and hence why these polls cant be conclusive.
In the end, only blizzard can issue a meaningful survey as they have the metrics behind accounts that are invested in TBC. Until they do we can only go off tge supporting evidence the community is able to provide.
I don’t think polling the players vested in TBC is that meaningful.
Or to put it a better way…it excludes the players who haven’t played Classic but might try Wrath. And dungeon finder is a huge draw for new players.
But you can’t really poll ‘potential players’. You just have to have some basic understanding for what the average, casual player wants. And Blizz has no idea.
As soon as it was implemented the population out in the world plummeted. All people did was stand in town queueing. But the lazy idiots can’t see that because that’s actually all they want to do.
Thats pretty weak argument though… if people are literally just flying from dalaran and into instance portals, there is barely any interaction between them and the world anyway.
People were in the ‘world’ at the start of WotLK because there are reps, quests and materials that people were after. When LFG was introduced people had already capped reps on many characters AND no longer needed to farm large quantities of gold.
People are in the world when there is a REASON to be in the world. Vanilla was different in that the wold is large and seperated into two continents that arent easily traversible. They also had world buffs as well as gankers due to no flying.
Just LOOK at TBC now. No LFD and the ‘world’ is dead. 1-69 player pool almost doesnt exist outsude of people AFK boosting. Reps are largely conpleted outside of the recent sunwell isle launch and farming is generally done by bots because most players are sittinf on enough gold that they dont really care for farming.
Its the best and most accurate source we have currently. You absolutely can’t argue that. Its hard to cope with the fact you’re on the losing side, sometimes people are just wrong.
This. I’ve been trying for three days to get a bloodfurnace group to finish my quests… This wouldn’t be a problem with a groupfinder that wasn’t garbage.
does ANYONE even use the current group finder? its terrible, and LFG chat is just global barrens chat.
Regardless of what you are arguing about, or what side of it you are on. When someone ask for source of information given the answer to that isn’t “Where is your source to prove that my information is wrong” That’s not how any of that work.
Asking for source of the claim that the OP made is a completely fine question to ask.
Also just to note this has nothing to do with LFD, its more a point of just debating in general.
Doesn’t mean much. Blizzard asked us what kinds of QoL features we wanted to see in TBC Classic when they mentioned their shift to a #somechanges philosophy. WillE did a poll back then on Dual Spec:
Blizzard was either incredibly ignorant of the polls on Dual Spec, or they didn’t care what the vast majority of this community actually wanted.
That’s not really the argument you want to use. 28,000 is a large enough sample size to give you a pretty good statistical model. So you wouldn’t expect a terribly large margin of error if your sample demographics are similar enough to your population demo.
The fact that I’ve literally never heard of the guy and I watch several WoW youtubers gives me pause. I don’t know anything about this guy’s demographics so I can’t say for sure how much weight we should give to this one specific poll.
HOWEVER to the best of my knowledge every single community poll taken so far shows support for RDF and none have gone the other way. If I’m wrong, please allow me to apologize in advance and we can then argue over how many polls show support compared to how many don’t all the while continuing to ignore the very first sentence I quoted in this post.
Blizzard doesn’t seem to care about that, this isn’t a democracy. There are a lot of reasons (some very good ones) that Blizzard isn’t asking us what we want on this matter.
This is the exact point I’ve tried to make a hundred times that people don’t seem to understand.
They have tried with, now they are trying without. Not a single person on these forums or anywhere on this planet know which one will work better and anyone who claims they do is full of s***.
Does having played the first part of LK when it dropped initally not count as “trying without?”
seems to me like this experiment has happened before on live servers back in the day.
I understand the argument of this being a rehashed version of LK with some changes and thats fine by me,
but is the new “try it without” approach only because of the player base attitude shift from when LK launched initially?
They tried without in Wrath back in 2008 and half of 2009.
They’ve also tried without since Classic launched. You can try without right now. Go log into TBCC. Enjoy the endless lfg spam of buying and selling dungeon runs.
We’ve seen what happens without lfd. It’s a disaster.
There’s nothing to cope with, this isn’t a competition. I am just arguing against a baseless claim made by this OP. But it is good to know your idea of a counter argument is to pull the cope card.
If you haven’t heard of WillE then you’re missing out. Guy makes good content without pushing any type of agenda. Moreso than the other youtubers like Metagoblin who have no idea what they’re talking about.
I mean, I’ve heard of him now it’s just kinda weird that YouTube didn’t push him on me the same way it shoved Asmon, Preach, Bellular, and several others at me. But I’m more than happy to blame YouTube just being terrible for that.
