Blizz should remove Death Knights from Wrath. If you want to play a Death Knight, go play Retail!!!
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“Go to retail” came first.
People do “Go to classic era” as the response.
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Objection, Hearsay
Funny. Let’s talk the history of Blizzard’s solutions. They acknowledged LFD was to help people find groups, low pops being a focus. Blizzard then acknowledged it did squat for your economy and raid scene which lead to LFR for the raiding environment and CRZ so people were in zones to quest with and eventual AH and server merges. The server merge itself solving everything the other fixes were doing combined.
If you take out every single one of those changes and kept just merged realms the problem all the other fixes tried to solve would be fixed. You’d have players to look for groups with, you’d have people to form guilds with to do content, you’d have an economy to trade within. Take out your merged realms and just LFD? It doesn’t fix your economy, doesn’t fix the raiding, doesn’t fix the community at all. Get over it. LFD isn’t your magical panacea. It isn’t your savior. It began the great fracturing of the community at large all so you can press one button.
You need to get over this sick fixation with the tool my guy. We have had over a decade of solutions that have evolved well beyond that flipping tool. Blizzard could remove it now on retail and with merged servers you’d have a healthy pool of players to group with. They see this, and acknowledge it at this point it was an experiment that lead to an ultimate solution of merged realms. I am NOT against LFD, what I am against is this false build up like it’s the second coming of Christ. It isn’t your security blanket. You can play the game without it. Change isn’t as hard as you make it seem.
Every single one of you want to talk about “The data” when it suits you in championing exactly what you want. But you willingly ignore the data counter to your argument when it doesn’t suit you. Learn to see the forest for the trees.
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Still with the ridiculous strawman of talking about issues that have nothing to do with LFD.
People are asking for it because of what it specifically addresses. You go off on these wild tangents and say ‘LFD doesn’t fix that!!’. Which is completely irrelevant.
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Either put up an argument or stop trolling and get out of the topic. LFD is a treatment to a symptom you all are whining about. “MAH GROUPS” LFD is not the disease or issue here. It was a cure FOR a symptom. If you can’t tell the difference between a symptom and a treatment, you are in no position to talk to anyone about strawman or otherwise.
Yes, it fixes a specific problem. Do you refuse to patch a leaky roof because it doesn’t repave your driveway? It’s so silly what you’re saying.
You’re inventing these issues just so you can say, “LFD isn’t a cure-all for every problem in the game, and therefore it’s pointless to add it.”
It just gets tiresome when the anti-lfd arguments are always illogical and irrelevant. But I’m going to stop feeding this nonsense.
This is the last time I am breaking this down for you. You can’t see the forest for the trees. You have a sick obsession with this tool. The problem is getting groups in content, a community created problem by the player base. This tool was created as a solution, and has gone through multiple changes over time to try and fix the underlying problem itself.
LFD came out and there was still difficulty getting groups. Blizzard intervened and created CtA to get tanks and healers to queue. This DID NOT fix your problem as queues were still high. Blizzard simplified gearing for tanks and healers while simplifying how threat was managed. They also took feedback to attempt to make tanks and healers more “fun”. All these solutions were created from player feedback. The community at large stated tanking wasn’t fun, gearing was obnoxious, and it was too complex and they didn’t want the responsibility of being a tank or healer.
None of that is conjecture, none of it is strawman. That was legit solutions from Blizzard to your community created problem. Blizzard has since then continued to attempt to fix the community created problem of unbalanced servers and grouping which all stem from the same problem of “I can’t find groups” by giving LFR for the raiding community and CRZ to make the world “More alive” to have people to do group questing with.
Ultimately the evolution of these programs lead to merged servers. They served their purpose and if Blizzard removed them today you’d have a healthy community of players on merged servers to pick from. This is a community created problem, not a Blizzard one. Just as the community created the God awful Horde PvP queues at the launch of TBC. There is no strawman or conjecture here. This is the very history of your problem played out over 10 years of evolving solutions. There is nothing more to discuss with you here. Like it or not they have gathered enough data over the past decade to make a choice they feel confident in. I am not against LFD, but it served it’s purpose over a decade ago and they’ve learned a thing or two. Add it or not, I don’t mind either way. But stop ignoring the data infront of you because it doesn’t align to what you want.
The community doesn’t want to tank. The community doesn’t want to heal. The community doesn’t want to do dated content. And no matter how many fixes or tools they add, nothing will fix this community. It is totally a YOU problem.
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You’re right. Neither is a solid argument and won’t take the conversation anywhere productive.
Especially since you can just not use RDF.
/runs
So intentionally miss out on 14 badges a week?
So intentionally miss out on a large portion of the people doing dungeons because they will be using rdf and i wont.
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Yeah they tend to think those who use the LFD tool are going to suddenly continue to use the LFG channel while sitting in queue. That was the point of their LFD tool, to not interact at all with the community while still getting their group.
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Nah. You retailers can remain inside your soulless, overcrowded, GDKP-infested, progression server cespits.
LFD should stay imo… it should be just as wrath was released the first time…
basically this
why would an endgame raider go a tank or heal dungeons that are completely irrelevant to them?
Oh my god, you not only took me seriously but you’re going back to that weak, tired, all but completely debunked argument?
Nobody believes or even wants RDF to award badges the way it did originally. If the dev team wants to scrap it entirely there is no earthly way they’re going to put it in with full incentives. Nobody who should be taken seriously even wants that. Strip the badges from it and put them back on the daily quest givers. Fine. I just want the automated group-matching.
I assume sarcasm? You say Retail, but you’re describing TBCC.
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What’s the difference?
It is now 62% in favor 38% not in favor, with only 28,000 votes. Sorry, but 28,000 isnt even 3/4 of classics population on its own, let alone 62% of that. One youtube channels poll is not really a great source.
True, but that doesnt mean that the poll is entirely useless either. If you look at ALL the available community polls, you DONT see a single one with a non-LFD majority. If non-LFD was the majority of the community, you would expect at LEAST some to support no-LFD. This is not the case.
This gives me confidence that there are more people that want LFD than those who don’t Is the ratio 70:30, 60:40, 50:50? We cant say, but the fact that NO polls with any kind of significant response count indicate a no-LFD majority does stand as strong supporting evidence (though not conclusive) that a majority supports the implementation of LFD.
Blizzard would never send out an official poll because it would contradict everything they stand for.
And you know we can’t have mud being rubbed all over their all knowing faces.
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