I thought I was doing that but okay.
Can you explain why they’re different? I have my views as to why they are largely similar but I’m curious as to yours.
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I seriously don’t know what argument it is trying to make. He’s saying it wasn’t a Vanilla defining feature….yet it was still in Classic.
Using their arguments - regardless of intent- is a far cry from ignoring them. Particularly when you’re using that irrational attitude to back door a justification of keeping a new cross-realm group finder out of the game.
Vanilla wasnt Classic.
I can understand why you dont know what an argument is.
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For vanilla classic blizzard stance was explicitly #nochanges and that it was what they considered the golden version of vanilla.
How is it irrational? What attitude? Cmon man, step up your game here. Its not enough to just say it. Like, explain it to me.
The devs made an informed decision with the benefit of hindsight - it really cant be argued. Yet, somehow, you wanna argue about it when there’s nothing to argue about. LFD isnt a knight in shining armor here to save us all from ourselves. Im sorry?
Classic was not nochanges. Changes were made. CRBGs are an example of that.
AV is an example of that, increased drop rates, 1.12, changes to the AV map, and the other 100 changes they made to Classic during its run. They stupidly hung onto some things using that paradigm but that never stopped them from making changes.
Thank you, I see the differences and they do make sense. what do you think of running a dungeon finder off of the same battlegroup concept as PVP?
For the record I would like RDF, and while bummed it likely wont be implemented, I’m not gonna be a baby about it when making my comments.
Keeping Cross Realm Battle Grounds out of classic was an irrational argument. #nochanges is an unworkable attitude for many reasons not the least of which is that it is ultimately impossible.
You say RDF is bad for the game, I say you’re misguided. It adds options. On its own it can expose a level of toxicity that some players might fortunately never have experienced - but it was ALWAYS there. In Orginal, TBC, Pre-RDF Wrath - it was there every step of the way whether you had to deal with it or not.
I’ve heard the arguments about hearing - there are ways to make changes and reduce the impact on gear while still providing group-matching services to players who really want it. The rest of the arguments boil down to “It might make my okay experience worse and I can’t allow that possibility even though it is guaranteed to make your okay experience better.” Period. That’s all there is.
Im pro RDF as well. To me its too little too late to play this kind of card. Just give me Wrath as close to how it was as possible.
That being said, Im not gonna kid myself either. I want it because it would be a great help to a player like myself. Thats it.
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Does someone want to tell it that cross-realm bgs were in Vanilla?
Don’t bother, and I’m going to stop trying to make sense of these posts.
Pretty much, most of us just wanna play wrath again.
Ummmm How do you do dungeons if you’re server faction imbalance ends up so bad there are not enough people on your faction to do that PVE (your statement is just 100% False.) they most certainly do stop you, you can still do PVP (will die mostly but it’s still PVP).
No need to use dehumanizing language like “it”
If you’re on a low pop realm then you’re sadly at the mercy of server transfers and the unforeseen consequences from blizz making too many classic servers
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Thats not the point. The point is that was a change. Yes, it came in at the very end of vanilla, it was not vanilla. nochanges never rightly existed. It came in went it was convenient and went away when it wasnt. Tons of changes were made to Classic.
Does that make you right or something? You disagree - its that simple. The facts of the matter only favor one of us though.
It adds convenience. The options were always there. Grouping existed before LDF.
That’s stating the obvious, not making a case for LDF. Players can be less than cool, tell me something I dont know.
The devs said it harmed socialization because thats what it did. Did it destroy socialization? No. Did it replace socialization? No. But it had an impact because it cant help it but do that - because of what it does and provides. You just want to ignore that and promote the positive aspect only - which is convenience and what comes with it. Its a trade off being made - the devs didnt want to make that trade again.
For the record, I disagree with them. Not because LDF is good but because there’s no point to what theyre doing.
Thats not my argument.
All you can tell me about LDF is that its convenient and easier than the old way of doing things. Thats it.
Its the dual spec debate all over again. We never get to talk about how convenient and easy it is, we’re not allowed to bring up why people feel entitled to said convenience and we never actually get to discussing the pros and cons of such a thing.
Its all upside, the devs dont know what theyre doing, the players know better and anyone who disagrees is basically a hemorrhoid off satans butt.
Good luck with that.
Problem it’s not considered low pop by blizzard, has a big Ally population, was not like that when I first started on it lopsided some but not as bad (granted I logged into a full one to see and you still could not see the LFG from all the spam, on mine you can go an hour and no chat in LFG). but my point is, if there are not enough people on it does stop you from doing PVE.
The populated side has no problem doing any PvE whatsoever. Why? Because faction imbalance dont prohibit PvE.
Low pop is a different story and thats what youre talking about.
It does for the low faction side… on an imbalanced server.
You can still PVP even if you are the only one there if you’re on the low faction side, it won’t stop you, but being on the low faction side of a imbalance will stop you for PVEing