Who happened to come to all those crazy ideas because psychic demon vampires from space manipulated them, not because “we just got mad” lol.
Manifestations of the light, on a deeper level, have basically always been good besides Xe’ra who contradicts every other Naaru we’ve ever met in so many ways. And i don’t think it’s irrelevant that the angels who represent it preach altruism earnestly.
That is simply false. As I’ve laid out in my post above, the Light started out as an explicitly benevolent force and has been transformed bit by bit into more morally ambiguous thing over the course of this game’s history.
The Light answering to evil people does not disprove its inherent goodness. It might just see them as misguided sinners and still take mercy on them, because all people are inherently flawed. Like Uther says:
No one feels that he deserves it. And you know why? Because no one does. It is grace, pure and simple. We are inherently unworthy, simply because we are human, and all human beings–aye, and elves, and dwarves, and all the other races–are flawed.
The light doesn’t care. Never did care and never will care.
It’s based SOLELY on having faith, as it’s been since WC 3. It’s why groups like the Scarlet Crusade can still call on the light despite it being a wholly evil organization
yes it does, because if it were good, it would not answer to evil, the light does not care it never cared.
Which was never off the table and not new, “the light is good and perfect” was never true in Warcraft.
Good people looked to the Light to do good things.
He has shown to snap out of it, twice, that’s more than everyone else who’s been lightblinded.
So yes the game is showing he’s not completely immune but he has immense willpower and is not completely giving in. Especially when introduced to concepts that goes against what he stands for.
But if the argument is you can only even be in that state because you view it as a weapon. Categorically, he should not be afflicted in any capacity. Heck, even in terms of power, this dude has bathed in the light of Naaru directly for thousands of years, his capacity to handle it if this even -was- an issue, should be way better than anyone else except like, Draenei, who are also all infused with the light of the naaru.
And almost all manifestations of the light itself also were universal goods. Beating around the Naaru is pointless, they’re an unavoidable part of the discussion.
People are missing a very key lore point in all this. The light blindness is happening because the Sunwell itself is fighting back against the Voidstorm. Thats when all the light craziness started to happen
Or so I’ve read. Someone correct me if I’m wrong on that
Is it?
I’m curious if THAT is the important thing, Naaru might keep the light in check? Might be why Loth goes off the deep end with that Naaru dying.
That almost is doing a lot of heavy lifting. The Scarlets have been in the game since day one, you can mumble and weasel all you want on the subject, but they were evil people who used the Light to do evil.
“But dreadlord! Tricks!”
Yeah, and? They were still evil people who used the Light to do evil. The Dreadlord is kinda irrelevant.
M’uru isn’t exceptionally powerful though. A’dal and Xe’ra seemed to be described as such.
I just don’t see why people who arent constantly already in contact with that level of power for prolonged periods of time… would have this as an issue at all really?
Xe’ra vs like 10 other naaru all being polar opposites to her and only being evil in void form tho… like, the almost is a stretch.
You did not understand what I wrote and conflating the Dreadlord manipulation as arguing the light cant be used evilly. No, it’s that it’s not random rage modes.
You combine a Naaru with a font of pure arcane magic and you get one hell of a super weapon. The Sunwell isn’t just a font of holy magic. It’s a Arcane and Light font of pure magic capable of doing gods knows what
And we see in one of the alpha cinematics, that the sunwell does indeed shoot a beam of magic and ends up dissipating the voidstorm at the end
I’m very aware of what the Sunwell is, lmao. If anything you’d think the mixing of cosmic powers would create something more ordered akin to the mixing of nature and arcane in stuff like the trees, not just ‘idk some strong source of magic.’ Light madness does not make sense to be a result of 50% Arcane, imo. And the point was people already in prolonged contact with incredible powers of the light for countless years shouldn’t really have trouble with this to begin with. It’s the random people who should who arent used to it at all.
The sunwell is currently strong enough to start damaging people who go directly into it, it’s gotten very powerful.
An interesting question here is: How does conviction arise? Do I have to believe that I am the good guy and my cause is just? What lays the foundation for defining good and evil?
And to what extent does the nature of light magic as primarily healing and feel-good magic for the living and harmful, burning power against the undead, shadows, and demons play a role here?
According to what?
Also the Sunwell having a Naaru in it could be a major factor.
I never claimed Naaru weren’t Good, so far Xera is the only exception.
I never claimed the Scarlets were Lightblinded, and neither does the game. They’re just evil jerks.
It’s really only harmful to the undead because their souls aren’t tethered fully to their bodies and shadow beings are..well they always been the polar opposite to the light so it makes sense they would be effected.
Demons being affected is the only odd one out really. As we don’t have many sources of fel and light coming into contact with one another. We know how devastating light and shadow is when they come into contact. It can be quite explosive
One of the lore books you can read in Karesh goes over the various planes, the author therein describes Light as one of chaos and creation, not order.
which tracks, outside of the Naaru (who all kinda go do their own thing) we don’t have a hierarchy or operating system for the Light we have mortal made religions worshipping the Light, but no structure of the Light itself
(And as for Arcane plenty of Mages are crazy XD)
Pallies during Legion would like to have a word.
The fact that A’dal is actively described by Khadgar as one of the most powerful entities you’ll ever come into contact with and doesn’t seem to refer to the other naaru in the same room as him, like explicitly pointing A’dal out, and Illidan sensing that Xe’ra was stronger than A’dal. M’uru isn’t given the same hype as A’dal, whose described as capable of wiping out cities and destroying mountains, and Xe’ra is given way more power hype.
Ehhh claiming ‘almost’ is carrying the argument. Does overlook the fact it’s a VERY small ‘almost’ in.
The point is still going over your head. The light wasn’t a source making them bad or affecting them in any way to make them worse, it was human circumstances and demonic manipulation. The power in itself isn’t built off an innate character-test, no, but i point out that every other example wasn’t the light itself giving people weird random stuff like this and that the only manifestation of the light even questionably bad was Xe’ra for trying to enslave an enslaver to serve an actual higher purpose compared to Illidan’s selfish binding of souls of Akama and dark effect on an entire people.
… yes, but Arcane is Order, lmao. You cut off the context of it being an arcane-holy power source. Half of it is Order. I didn’t say that was the Light half.
That Order Hall was underwhelming. We don’t talk about that here 
My point is, there’s no real explanation for why the light affects demons the way it does. We know why the light affects undead and void beings in great detail.
Joking aside though, I never did the Pally order hall, so if there is any lore details on why the light affects demons the way it does, gladly fill me in. I would appreciate it 
Ok? Not sure how you take that and go “oh these other ones are super weak then”.
The almost included the Scarlets.
Your point is imaginary.
Never claimed otherwise.
… i didn’t, you cut me off specifically mentioning it