Do give me an example. I’m waiting.
Lack of representation does not equate to a world without said group. Warcraft historically has done rather little in terms of love stories as the universe is more about war than anything. The lack of representation is a mere byproduct of relationships not being a focal point of this game other than creating new lore characters via having children.
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Sure. I am not denying that there might be games within which LGBT themes don’t really make sense. But WoW is an MMORPG. A massive world full of random, sometimes unimportant people. LGBT representation could be as simple as having two married men send you on a quest to go take their farm back from some bandits.
It’s so very easy to do in this genre.
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Can’t I don’t read romance novels. I hate romance stuff. I am with the crowd that wants such things to not be in Warcraft at all. Hetro or otherwise.
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Rhetoric in respose to rhetoric.
And no one was asking you to fly into a rant. Calling it “gross” and “messed up” was enough. Funny that I had to call you out on it to get you to more accurately describe it for what it is. And if no one thought it was acceptable then it wouldn’t exist. But yet someone made a documentary to allow someone to call such things a preference and act as if they are a victim. As I said before, there isn’t a huge push for such things in particular. But the inclusivity movement is getting such groups trying to use them as a raft to normalize their stance and the movement doesn’t care to distance themselves.
And there it is, you are infact the one here that is biased. Saying that you want to normalize LGBT to be accepted by all while at the same time you place it on a pedestal.
I don’t agree with censorship on the forums. I detest people who flag viewpoints they don’t agree with, and it doesn’t even matter if I agree or not with the post, because I actually believe in freedom to expression.
You however admitted you are biased on the topic. You think your supposed moral virtue makes you a better human than those who don’t agree with you and are trying to inject your view into everything regardless of whether or not the producer wants to fulfil your vision.
but there’s plenty of straight couples in WoW lore. Like, a lot of them…
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So, essentially, you don’t have evidence to back up your argument.
It’s a pretty safe assumption because it doesn’t fit the story. Or the target audience.
it isn’t. If it was, you’d be able to have examples off the top of your head
?? how do you figure that. How would someone that doesn’t bother with romance novels be able to come up with examples of romance novels. Don’t be stupid.
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Even mainstream LGBT stories, like Simon vs Homosapiens agenda, Brokeback mountain, and Call me by your name, have straight relationships in them.
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Not in the ones I’ve read. They’re still there. LGBT novels tend to just make the focus more equal instead of one being less or more than the other. With some exceptions like ones where it’s just two characters so it’s just one relationship being done.
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Because you are conflating not wanting LGBTQ forced into every game and every story regardless of whether it makes sense or not to wanting to keep it out all across the board. You cant differentiate the two because you think anyone that doesn’t follow your “virtuous” opinion is obviously a bigiot.
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WTG keeping this topic alive , you guys and girls are working hard , well at least maybe 6 of you… keep up the fine work
Honestly that sounds accurate and I may have misspoken. With more thought on the desires of the LGBT community a world where hetro people didn’t exist wouldn’t queit fit. Part of the fantasy is acceptance from the group. The point is the same though just needs a different example. Harder to come up with one with the LGBT community though as their fantasy drives their creative process just like everyone elses. It’s all intertwined.
Not that difficult when it’s just “Hey you know all those big romances you keep making? How about something for us?”
It’s also not that difficult for a creator to ponder “Hmm ya know I could totally do something with these two characters”. Doing something different for a change is actually really great for the creative process.
I’m saying this as someone that made non lgbt characters just for things to change over time
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I meant it’s more difficult to come up with an example which drives the same point while using the same community which keeps pushing to ignore the creative freedom. I like to try and create connections with the offending party to help the other side understand. It’s really hard for people to really grasp a issue unless it’s something that affects them. Creating parallels when possible helps the other side understand the issue. Plus people really hate looking like a hypocrite.
The issue with trying to draw such examples when it comes to the community is that with further thought on what might drive the creative process of a person within the community it’d be hard to pull off all their fantasies without a group of hetro people. Part of the fantasy, is acceptance or approval from their peers. Inclusion ect. Which can’t really be portrayed without the other side being there.
As for your other point. It is easy to fit in community into the game sure. I just don’t think it would be in a PR positive way and it’s better to have it left out because of that. Many of the people of Azeroth are racist, sexist, or otherwise bigots. It’s an imperfect world during a brutal time period on Azeroth. One of my fears is one of two things would happen if such things would be included.
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They would ignore the state in which Azeroth is in and rewrite otherwise bigot like characters to have uncharacteristic acceptance.
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They would write the story as it would happen inside the Azeroth we know but the backlash would be severe and the outcry would cause even more bad publicity that blizzard really doesn’t need right now.
It’s a lose lose situation and the best solution is to keep the status quo. Perhaps a character could be introduced in time, hopefully in a way which it’s slowly accepted and has to over come the trials in which they would in the world of azeroth we know. Not saying they should be forever opressed but rather a story of over coming it.
WoW has a bunch of love stories or plots with implied romantic feelings though. Tyrande x Malfurion, Illidan x Tyrande, Jaina x Arthas, Jaina x Kalecgos, Kalecgos x The Sunwell, Thrall x Aggra, Sylvanas x Nathanos, Lor’themar x Thalyssra.
If Blizzard managed to write a love story where a dragon fell in-love with the manifestation of the Sunwell, they can write some gay characters.
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Ah, I see. You can’t deal with the actual content of what I’m saying, so you’re breaking out the uno reversal card. How thoughtless.
So you don’t think that impugning me for not being harsh enough in my reply to suggest that I might support these things a little might be provoking a harsher and more thorough response like the one I described?
You are a slippery little fellow, aren’t you. Real clever. You just think you can talk your way out of anything. No. I see what you pulled there. Your dishonesty is noted.
Yes. I am biased in favor of human wellbeing and happiness, which means I support LGBT representation.
Yes. I think that opposing the alienation of LGBT people and supporting their well-written representation is a good thing to do. And yes, I think that people who irrationally campaign against this based on contempt and nonsense arguments have a moral failing for doing so.
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You mean buzzwords? You call listing buzzwords content? Buzzwords are what people spew when they don’t have a real argument.
I was pointing out that you were toning down disgusting behavior. That’s it. You back peddled because you didn’t want to look like an apologist to such things. Do I think you support them? No. But like many in your camp you didnt seem to want to call it out for what it is because the tolerance optics.
Pretty sure representation in WoW doesnt equal human wellbeing and happiness. It’s a cosmetic symbol. Im biased towards the wellbeing and happiness of all humans (excluding assaulters and murders) and not just those that live in my political camp. And because Im biased towards such things I advocate for things that actually matter such freedom of expression and the freedom to live your life as you see fit so long as the way you choose doesn’t hinder anyone else to do the same. Because cosmetic symbols that make you feel good don’t actually do anything for your rights as a human.
As I said in a previous post, you are conflating contempt with people that just don’t want token representations pushed into everything where it makes no sense and those that just don’t want it constantly shoved down their throat.