LFR... Propositioned by player needed... then "Trades" me the gear for 5K gold? When did this becomea thing?

[Dwelknarr-lothar]

@Cowvenent-area-52

However, it could also apply to those rolling on transmogs, so I’d still argue that this is only ancillary to the issue, though I’d admit it does provide some small boost to your theory.

I mean as far as I’m concerned the transmog button should be rolling for just the appearance against everyone who selected transmog while anyone rolling need/greed would be rolling for the actual item. It’s crazy to me that Blizzard would create a system where a legitimate reason why many step foot into LFR has an unbelievably low chance at ever providing that reward because it competes directly with another legitimate reason others are there but is hard coded to be of lower priority. This is especially true since the appearance of some items can only come from LFR.

@Cowvenent-area-52

I absolutely agree that the squeakiest wheel isn’t always right, in that regard. Realistically, I don’t think it’s terribly beneficial for loot drops to be broadcast. I’d received plenty of whispers as well during PL and I’m not advocating for that to necessarily return.

So long as loot trading exists in LFR, there is going to be toxicity around players expecting other players to hand over their loot. While not broadcasting the loot seems like a good idea, I worry it would just result in those same addons we had back under PL to whisper any winner to beg for an item to be modified to whisper the entire raid begging for loot. It’s easy enough to ignore to be sure, but it’s still annoying when all I want is a fair shot at loot I helped earn (again, not to sell).

@Cowvenent-area-52

Certainly, and I’m not trying to imply my voice has greater weight simply for being mine. I’m only trying to piece together what I can of Blizzard’s intent, which isn’t easy or straightforward. It’s like a Constitutional lawyer trying to interpret the intent of long dead founders, but Blizzard’s not dead, they just won’t actually speak up… about anything.

Sure, and please don’t take my words to mean that I was taking what you’ve said here to mean you think your words carry more weight. I was talking more generally across the entire player base.

Blizzard is the only authority on what should and shouldn’t happen when it comes to loot in LFR since players have no control over group formation and only slight control over continued raid membership. If they change the loot systems and/or release clarity on how the system should be used, then I’ll get on board with calling people out for stepping outside the lines. Just in the absence of such modifications or clarity, anything we come up with will result in one group of players trying to dictate what should happen to another group of players despite neither group holding any authority on the matter. And when such things happen, the end result is oftentimes worse for most people involved (especially those who won’t have a horse in the race but are swept up in the drama) than if people just accepted the system doesn’t quite conform to their ideals.

@Cowvenent-area-52

My biggest issue is really with the confusion itself. If it were more clear what was intended vs. what are technical limitations vs. “what we didn’t have time to implement”, a lot of these discussions would go away. There would still be some whining, but it wouldn’t have a leg to stand on with clearly defined intent that ran contrary to the complaint.

100%. Unfortunately most game publishers suck at this, and Blizzard is no exception.

@Gabitha-nagrand

There are BOE’s in LFR that are sold in the AH for 90k no one is complaining about that.

I do agree with your overall point, but did want to point out that BOEs are still personal loot. No player declared their intent to roll against you to win it, the game just decided that player should have it, no different than the game deciding you earned a Wildercloth off mob A while I got nothing.