You’re not far from the truth. A massive difference between PL and GL is the fact that you can effectively hide your rolls under PL. This one simple difference cannot be understated enough. With the ability to hide your roll, you can completely avoid the toxic begging and finger pointing about “unfair you don’t deserve it blah blah blah” that happens in LFR and quite frankly, norms and heroics too.
The fact that people think this is necessary tells me that the LFR community itself IS THE ENTIRE PROBLEM here.
No matter which loot system the game uses, they will find a way to complain about it, or use it as ammo to harass other players.
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They should just use their bot technology to make it so LFR is a solo experience with a one time reward without other people. We all know people are the problem so get rid of them 
Oh, yeah. Turning LFR into a solo experience solves all the issues people complain about here.
It’s all just some form of “there are other people here, and they did/might do something I don’t like”.
This issue is by no means restricted to just LFR. Remember, there were entire add-ons written that would auto-loot beg when detecting drops. Those were rampant in BfA. Don’t know if they’re still a thing though.
PL I usually got something at least once per raid. At least. Now … not so much.
I’m pretty sure PL had some sort of bad luck protection in it as the game could calculate if you had gotten loot in the raid so far easily. Group loot doesn’t really calculate any of that, it simply roll off loot. So the highs and the lows are higher which lead to higher disappointments generally. You still now get the great vault with it which some expansions with personnal loot didn’t have, but yes it will feel worse as personnaly I don’t even consider the great vault really part of achieving that content it’s more a bonus box that the game timegate more so I login next week.
probably the best advise on here and for any loot threads that pop up , just join the club and roll on anything you can - this includes changing your loot spec before a pull for a different roll like dps>heals>tank if something might drop you like the look of.
… because as per usual nothing will be done about it
The problem is that item level is not, and has never been, a good indicator of player power. The Rashok trinket from Aberrus last season was better for nearly all healers (if not all healers) at the base level it dropped in LFR than any other trinket you could get even at a fully maxed myth track level. Using item level to stop people from need rolling would be disallowing higher item level players from a shot at getting meaningful upgrades.
No it did not. Blizzard reduced the number of drops from raid between BFA to Shadowlands, but the same number of raid items drop for the same number of people in both Shadowlands and Dragonflight. Your raid is guaranteed to get 1 item per every 5 players in the raid (rounded down). Then if your raid does not have an even multiple of 5, the remainder portion when dividing the number of raid members by 5 gives another 20% per that remainder chance at getting a bonus piece. If your raid has 25 people eligible for loot on a boss, your raid will always get 5 loot drops. If your raid has 23 people, your raid will always get at least 4 items, then each kill will have a 60% chance to drop a 5th item.
There has never been any evidence furnished to support personal loot any bad luck protection. There have been bonus rolls during times when personal loot existed, but those were completely individual rolls that gave genuine bonus items just for that person; there is no reason the same system could not be included with group loot. In fact, what you’re describing is not mathematically possible unless you always ran with the same group of people.
The truth is, the same number of items are being distributed across the same number of players. Each player’s actual chances is impacted by raid composition and the loot table in different ways, so it’s true that your individual chance may have changed. But the only way for your odds to get worse of getting items is for someone else’s chances to have gotten better.
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They help kill the boss they were there they spend the time in the raid so they have every right to roll need
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Their reason for rolling need is equally important as yours
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Why are you judging on how other people roll?
4.Personal loot will assume everyone roll need internally so therefore your chance of getting loot is still the same
- Get a guild/friend to run with you.
nope if people get mad when I won a roll. I wear it right away and tell them now they can’t have it. Love it when I get people more angry. My roll is equally important as theirs no matter what the reason is. Don’t like it? Don’t play wow and unsub.
I just won 3 items in the last weeks on my warlock alt… so I guess your so call 1 item a month doesn’t stand up.
Raiding uses group loot.
Coupled with the fact pl is trash
No.
PL is dead
Right? LFR players like to scream about how LFR is real raiding? Now they don’t want it to be like real raiding.
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I won a tmog roll last week.
Rolling restrictions or nobody eligible to need the item.
The amount of loot hasn’t changed.
Source?
When have you ever been in an LFR with only one plate user?
PL had trade restrictions, GL has none. It’s easier now to give away stuff. (Or you can just pass)
(Also I can’t tell if you’re having an actual meltdown or just being extra, but I hope you’re ok)
People begged just as much in higher difficulty pugs last time I was in one.
So, on the last boss of the raid, if 10 people hadn’t gotten anything, PL just gave twice as much loot?
It’s not entirely random if there are a lot of people who are rolling on everything the system permits them to roll on. And able to win multiple items off the same boss, even multiples of the exact same item. And incentivized by the game to make money selling them to the players who would have actually received those items in personal lot.
Yep. It’s that fair for thee but not for me
This is literally impossible every time you lie about how the system works you just prove you not only don’t know how the system works but you’re extremely biased and should be ignored.
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This is false. Just from personal experience alone, I’ve won several pieces with a transmog roll.
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I think players can win multiple copies of the same 1H weapon if their loot spec can make use of 2x 1H, though I can’t swear to that.
I’m not using that transmog button, I’m rolling need for transmog. I deserve that item just as much as everyone else there.