LFR Loot Rolls

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

People feeling entitled about loot was a thing long before then, believe you me.

[Dwelknarr-lothar]

@Ventorath-wyrmrest-accord

I am tired of pretending that personal loot giving everyone a chance at loot whether they need it or not is the same thing as everyone and their mom rolling need on actual drops they won’t use just because it’s lit up.

It’s not.

No, personal loot is worse. Literally every player rolls on every boss under personal loot, regardless of what else they might be wearing. Whereas with group loot every player that has an item off the boss cannot roll need. You have to beat both sets of players either way, and the worst case scenario for group loot is what happens with personal loot. But group loot becomes better over time as players start getting raid items, not to mention anyone who chooses not to roll need or has their roll time out.

There are reasons to prefer personal loot, I’m not one of the people who claim that personal loot had no redeeming qualities. It’s just in the aspect you chose to focus on, group loot is at worst the same, with a more average case finding group loot to be better.

@Ventorath-wyrmrest-accord

An organized group spamming need to funnel will always weight drops toward their group. It actively makes the chances of you getting loot go down. Personal Loot, sure, they might trade it to a friend if they happen to get it, but your initial chance of getting loot from the system is unaffected.

No it doesn’t because they are all rolling against you with personal loot as well. Them hitting need on an item under group loot mirrors how personal loot worked.

[Xyrtran-medivh]

I would use this answer on the “super controversial” takes but it’s about this anyway.

It’s time for LFR to return to personal loot. It’s shown that people can’t behave nor act decently and it’s also very clear that people need items to sell them later.

Only LFR should use personal loot.

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

@Xyrtran-medivh

Only LFR should use personal loot

LFR is a raid. It doesn’t need special treatment about the loot system just because people feel entitled to item drops.

[Arnieshwartz-burning-blade (Arnieshwartz)]

it isn’t called fair, it is called RNG

get it right

[Eärlindë-ravencrest]

@Kentaurus-turalyon

Who are you to decide what people need and why,

It’s simple decorum, something that has been lost in the community for a long time. Personal loot would alleviate the issue.

@Kentaurus-turalyon

If I need an item, that means I need it. It doesn’t matter if it’s for an upgrade or for transmog, or for crafting. All are justifiable reasons for rolling on loot.

For rolling, yes, but they are not all equal reasons. Unless it’s an item that would be an upgrade, then any other roll should be lower priority. Someone trying to gear up needs a given item more than someone looking for transmog.

@Kentaurus-turalyon

but I also support having the freedom to choose what we do with our own loot.

Which is where personal loot comes in. People can’t swipe an item and sell it or to do anything aside from wear it, that would benefit someone else as an upgrade.

Personal loot helped alleviate all of this, there were just people that got made about it because they believed they should have access to all drops.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Eärlindë-ravencrest

’m not going to waste my time on such things when someone can essentially ninja everything that drops.

@Vrakthris

If you have the option to roll need, Arianni, you are perfectly within your right to roll need. There are no rules against it, and it isn’t ninja looting. People seem to be applying that term to a very loose definition of “rolling on something I don’t think you should have”.

[Baalzebarbie-azuresong]

@Eärlindë-ravencrest

I have only run some LFR so I could see the content. I’m not going to waste my time on such things when someone can essentially ninja everything that drops. If they’d bring back personal loot I’d be all in.

It all comes back to the fact that there is zero need to broadcast to everyone who got what loot. If they just put it in your bag and let you decide what to do with it(trade/sell/deconstruct) there would be no drama. Other games survive perfectly well without generating drama this way.

[Splints-the-venture-co]

@Eärlindë-ravencrest

Unless it’s an item that would be an upgrade

I put in more effort than you by gearing above 584. I deserve the roll.

Deny that, and I will continue to put in more effort than you by deleting gear to remain at 580 forever, and will have a better chance at winning rolls because of it.

Stop inspecting others and move on with your life.

[Baalzebarbie-azuresong]

@Unonatural-laughing-skull

That’s called RNG. Fairness has nothing to do with it until you zoom out to thousands of rolls over time. That same person who got lucky multiple times in a single raid also has bad luck steaks.

You sure its really random? I know blizzard is famous for bug free releases but there could be a tiny bug there.

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

There’s nobody who’s provided evidence it isn’t in 20 years. I suspect that if a major system like that was exploitable or being exploited, it’d have come out by now.

[Sarama-firetree]

@Ventorath-wyrmrest-accord

It’s not.

It is though. If someone intends to go in to either system trying to get every piece they can win, the only difference is having to press the button in GL.

[Thrandomir-malfurion]

Since the holiday bosses are here I just completely ignore the current raid since i get more loot from them.

Also PL > GL

[Allendor-hyjal]

@Bestinslot-garona

How do you call a fair loot system when 5 pieces of loot drops from a boss and 4 of them go to the same person?

They won 4 rolls. It’s lucky, but it’s not unfair.

[Kentaurus-turalyon (Kentaurus)]

Yeah. I’ve won multiple rolls during an LFR run in the past. Conversely, I’ve seen people win multiple rolls. RNG doesn’t care about fairness. It is always random chaos. It loves and hates everyone equally. That’s about as fair as it gets.

[Eärlindë-ravencrest]

@Splints-the-venture-co

I put in more effort than you by gearing above 584. I deserve the roll.

Nothing you’re saying is a legitimate argument against personal loot, you’re just trying to justify being a crappy person.

@Baalzebarbie-azuresong

It all comes back to the fact that there is zero need to broadcast to everyone who got what loot

I agree. Go back to personal loot and don’t do the “loot scroll” in chat anymore.

Cäpslöck, you’re missing the point and just like Splints, you’re only trying to justify being a bad person in-game, you’re not bothering to look at the benefit of personal loot in the discussion.

[Splints-the-venture-co]

I’m pro-PL. It’s better for regular raids to cut down on useless drops that nobody wants.

@Eärlindë-ravencrest

trying to justify being a crappy person.

As are you. You don’t deserve LFR drops more simply because you slacked off and can’t be bothered to do world events so it’s an ilvl upgrade. Everyone gets their fair roll.

[Flower-kelthuzad]

@Baalzebarbie-azuresong

It all comes back to the fact that there is zero need to broadcast to everyone who got what loot. If they just put it in your bag and let you decide what to do with it(trade/sell/deconstruct) there would be no drama. Other games survive perfectly well without generating drama this way.

I think this issue is way overblown. In all the times I got whispered for loot drops when personal loot was a thing I literally never had anyone be a turd about me saying I actually needed it, and if they did, I would have just put them on ignore.

I have genuinely never understood why anyone ever thought this was a legitimate issue. Were people like kicking other people out of LFR for not handing over loot or something? How was this even a thing that people had an issue with?

[Smoldra-stormrage]

I’m not gonna lie. I haven’t even tried to do lfr on my lower toons because mythic geared players are going in, needing, and then turning around trying to sell things for 50k-100k+ a piece. Not worth the waste of time.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Eärlindë-ravencrest

you’re not bothering to look at the benefit of personal loot in the discussion.

Because there aren’t any, at least not on the issue you claim to care about. If you’re issue is people rolling need when you don’t think they should have, PL is the worst case scenario of GL on that.

Players: Something is wrong with raid loot, do something

Blizzard: Ok, what’s wrong?

Players: People are rolling on stuff I think they don’t need

Blizzard: Ok, what do you want us to do about it

Players: remove the ability to pass on loot, and the current duplicate protection.

Blizzard: visible confusion