Lfr is bad for the game

anon2121503 · January 14, 2019, 4:00am

Again…how has LFR CAUSED sub hemorrhages ?

Abruek-turalyon · January 14, 2019, 4:00am

You read a single sentence out of my post to ignore the fact that you’re wrong. It’s sad for you actually…

anon2121503 · January 14, 2019, 4:01am

yawn.
we done here?

Jalen-emerald-dream · January 14, 2019, 4:01am

I need you to answer my question and not avoid it.

anon2121503 · January 14, 2019, 4:03am

Im going to ask you fine folks again
HOW are YOU affected by me using the raid finder to gather up a RANDOM group of players?
HOW does that adversely affect YOUR game.
Please dont make vague crap up.
I want specifics spelling out EXACTLY how my RANDOM group has made you so mad that youre willing to waste day after day after day in here rambling on about it.

Abruek-turalyon · January 14, 2019, 4:04am

No, use that middle school education. Read.

Abruek:

I’ll reiterate why you’re wrong again, just for the sake of repetition may have an effect on you.

Having four difficulties is creating a massive exponential growth in character power, as stated here.

I personally have brought up the exponential power curvature we have for Blizzard trying to fit in four raid difficulties, although some seemed to have missed that.

Edit: Now arguably you can throw in Flex(Normal) into the mix because LFR predates that difficulty, but if they squeeze it out of the lost there will be too big of a difficulty gap for some players. (I’m more LFR to be as rewarding as it should be, with dungeon gear, rather than it’s termination)

And

Yeah, we really don’t need normal anymore, it kinda just was there originally as a test in SoO for group size scaling raids.

If they remove it and lower the item level Heroic and Mythic drop as well as the respective mechanics to not need that high amount of gear, the game could definitely benefit not having to grow so out of control.

I was just on the PTR and set up my 384 Paladin in full 415 gear(414 with neck), and my HP grew from 160k to about 250k, which is insane for one tier, considering Crucible of Storms is supposed to be like ToV with another slight increase. By the expansion’s end we’re likely to be at 400k, which is a terrifyingly fast amount of growth. Essentially cementing the fact they are very likely to do another stat squish. Which is a huge issue.

anon2121503 · January 14, 2019, 4:04am

thats what I thought…you KNOW it hasnt and you have ZERO evidence that it has…or that its harming anything but the feelings of a dozen forum posters in here who cant let it go and just go raid with the big boys.

Jalen-emerald-dream · January 14, 2019, 4:05am

So you can’t answer my question because you know I’m right. I actually can answer your question. But the issue is you’re too ignorant when it comes to things like server community and actual interactions within an MMO. You’ve made that part pretty clear as day.

anon2121503 · January 14, 2019, 4:05am

Abruek:

anon2121503:

yawn.
we done here?

No, use that middle school education. Read.

Abruek:

I’ll reiterate why you’re wrong again, just for the sake of repetition may have an effect on you.

Having four difficulties is creating a massive exponential growth in character power, as stated here.

I personally have brought up the exponential power curvature we have for Blizzard trying to fit in four raid difficulties, although some seemed to have missed that.

Edit: Now arguably you can throw in Flex(Normal) into the mix because LFR predates that difficulty, but if they squeeze it out of the lost there will be too big of a difficulty gap for some players. (I’m more LFR to be as rewarding as it should be, with dungeon gear, rather than it’s termination)

And

Yeah, we really don’t need normal anymore, it kinda just was there originally as a test in SoO for group size scaling raids.

If they remove it and lower the item level Heroic and Mythic drop as well as the respective mechanics to not need that high amount of gear, the game could definitely benefit not having to grow so out of control.

I was just on the PTR and set up my 384 Paladin in full 415 gear(414 with neck), and my HP grew from 160k to about 250k, which is insane for one tier, considering Crucible of Storms is supposed to be like ToV with another slight increase. By the expansion’s end we’re likely to be at 400k, which is a terrifyingly fast amount of growth. Essentially cementing the fact they are very likely to do another stat squish. Which is a huge issue.

yawn.
so fix the NUMBERS that have NOTHING to do with my using a tool to find a group of random players to raid with.

anon2121503 · January 14, 2019, 4:06am

“Im going to ask you fine folks again
HOW are YOU affected by me using the raid finder to gather up a RANDOM group of players?
HOW does that adversely affect YOUR game.
Please dont make vague crap up.
I want specifics spelling out EXACTLY how my RANDOM group has made you so mad that youre willing to waste day after day after day in here rambling on about it.”

anon2121503 · January 14, 2019, 4:07am

ok…so fix the numbers.
That has nothing to do with using the raid finder to gather up a group to raid with.

Jalen-emerald-dream · January 14, 2019, 4:08am

I won’t answer your question until you answer mine. Which I posted mine first and you responded with a question that has nothing to do with what I asked. So…

You first. And if it’s anything but a clear cut answer to it, I’ll take it that you are on the same boat that Blizzard hasn’t done anything in BFA that has retained or bumped up subs outside of releasing the expansion too early.

Abruek-turalyon · January 14, 2019, 4:08am

Subs stopped growing immediately after the implementation of LFD in WotLK, and further decreased during Cataclysm immediately after LFR came out, the numbers are there.

Okay, use your elementary school education to actually read this time.

Abruek:

I’ll reiterate why you’re wrong again, just for the sake of repetition may have an effect on you.

Having four difficulties is creating a massive exponential growth in character power, as stated here.

I personally have brought up the exponential power curvature we have for Blizzard trying to fit in four raid difficulties, although some seemed to have missed that.

Edit: Now arguably you can throw in Flex(Normal) into the mix because LFR predates that difficulty, but if they squeeze it out of the lost there will be too big of a difficulty gap for some players. (I’m more LFR to be as rewarding as it should be, with dungeon gear, rather than it’s termination)

And

Yeah, we really don’t need normal anymore, it kinda just was there originally as a test in SoO for group size scaling raids.

If they remove it and lower the item level Heroic and Mythic drop as well as the respective mechanics to not need that high amount of gear, the game could definitely benefit not having to grow so out of control.

I was just on the PTR and set up my 384 Paladin in full 415 gear(414 with neck), and my HP grew from 160k to about 250k, which is insane for one tier, considering Crucible of Storms is supposed to be like ToV with another slight increase. By the expansion’s end we’re likely to be at 400k, which is a terrifyingly fast amount of growth. Essentially cementing the fact they are very likely to do another stat squish. Which is a huge issue.

anon2121503 · January 14, 2019, 4:09am

sorry but that has NOTHING to do with THIS topic that is clearly about LFR.
your deflecting, son…the topic HERE is LFR.

Jalen-emerald-dream · January 14, 2019, 4:09am

So you can’t answer the question and I’m right about my point from that question. Got it.

anon2121503 · January 14, 2019, 4:10am

insert something about causation here.
So youre assertion is that Blizzard knows that LFR has and is causing massive sub losses…and with that data has chosen to keep LFR regardless just to tick a few of you off.

yeah…see why Im not buying it?

Turnberry-illidan · January 14, 2019, 4:10am

How about this:

We know that the last 2 expansions have sold 8-10 million copies. However all the sub speculation through realm population and addon API has the subs somewhere between 2-4 million. We also know from WoW Progress that that 30,000 guilds have killed at least 1 Heroic boss in Uldir. If you take the average Heroic group size from Warcraft Logs you end up with about 600,000 players who have killed a Heroic boss this tier.

So looking at it like that you could potentially say that 1.4-3.4 million people are LFR only depending on Subs. Also remember that we don’t have data on Normal mode so it’s probably much less. So if we got rid of LFR we might lose those people. But as a business if you make a fun, rewarding and fulfilling game without LFR and everything that comes with it, you have the potential to keep those 6-8 million people who bought the game and left. As a business wouldn’t that make sense to do? I feel like they have to change it up or they will keep bleeding subs every expansion.

anon2121503 · January 14, 2019, 4:11am

Now tell me how my random group is killing your will to play.

anon2121503 · January 14, 2019, 4:11am

decreased during Cataclysm when LFR game out, the numbers are there .

already responded to this nonsense

insert something about causation here.
So youre assertion is that Blizzard knows that LFR has and is causing massive sub losses…and with that data has chosen to keep LFR regardless just to tick a few of you off.

yeah…see why Im not buying it?

Turnberry-illidan · January 14, 2019, 4:12am

Did you read what I said?