Fundamentally - Anyone claiming ‘celestial is better’ is coping.
LFR Is more fun. More engaging. More social.
It wasn’t just a means to get gear but a massive group activity you can queue for.
It literally teaches you the soft-tactics for raids and prepares you for 10 mans.
The gear rewards literally match up to the bosses you kill, making it feel a lot more ‘earned’ when you get your pieces. “I had to kill the boss for this” vs “I did a 5 man with crazy private server buffs”
Think about it this way;
As an old MoP player - This just looks like “We’re too lazy to make things fun and engaging so lets take a shortcut - let’s just put timewalking in anniversary.”
I literally looked FORWARD to LFR in original cata/mop etc. every day. It was literally my main reason for even enjoying the expansions in the first place.
I could raid casually without being tied down to toxic and strange guilds.
TBH Every time I have ever found a guild to raid with I go for maybe two raids and I just get awkward and uncomfortable with the people because they aren’t my crowd and it’s too personal.
That’s just me, but I’ve also been around awhile and I can tell you from experience - LFRs are more fun, more fulfilling, and more fitting.
Why would you ever create an alternative source of gear than raids? What possible excuse could you make that says ‘oh yeah, this makes sense’
I literally could use my rerolls in LFR etc. too, I remember that from legion. Meanwhile all my toons have 200+ lessers to turn in and all are capped on greater.
I will never step foot in a guild raid and I’m fine with that. I just won’t get to see content because it isn’t made casual for me to enjoy.
My experience in original mop was that after a few weeks you will get half the raid auto attacking and AFKing causing wipes and long fights. The few well geared people carry the rest. It makes the content tedious. I dont remember the exact limitiations but i think back then you could only get a shot at loot once a week per boss in original mop. At least the celestial dungeons adds more players to that pool and you can just buy the gear you need. This is new game plus, not original run content. Everything is accelerated, including gearing up.
That literally never happened. People were far too impatient and kick-happy.
Not sure where people are creating these narratives but you literally would get 30min locked out if kicked for afk and again - people were kick-happy.
LFR was incredibly common, well liked, it brought people again - into raid content and prepared them and made them want to do 10man+25man.
Either way though - even if there was some subsect of people who wanted to join and AFK - people do that in celestials too…
And its worse, you have 5 ppl in the group, 2 ppl are brain-off, and the tank and healer or tank and dps are the only people doing anything.
If the tank even knows what they’re doing at all which is a very common issue of not knowing anything but running into bombs.
Idk how it’s even comparable honestly, because celestial literally is braindamaging
Nothing you’ve said is relevent. You’re comparing retail to mop classic and not actually engaging with anything said.
I really despise morons like yourself who decide their input is valuable when nothing is actually responding to a word said.
You are giving vapid, ignorant, and pointless commentary. Enjoy the block and please refrain from wasting your time posting in my threads. You will not be entertained.
I’ve said this before. Make LFR just send people to Normal. Everyone wins. People who don’t want to deal with crazy guilds don’t have to and people in crazy guilds don’t feel compelled to run the same raids twice every week and no one has to worry if people are doing content that they think is easy because for some reason that really seems to upset some people.
^^^^ I literally never had any issues in LFR for YEARS. The people who are conjuring up all these scenarios did it once and had a bad experience and never went back in.
Guaranteed.
I have multiple expacs of experience with LFR on MANY different classes, warrior rogue mage hunter paladin warlock etc., through cata mop legion bfa etc.
No one who disagrees with LFR is doing so with actual reason - they’re just exercising their opinion so other people have less enjoyment in the game.
“You think you do but you don’t” mentality is everywhere and they need to f off
…What on earth are your celestials failing to, it’s heroic difficulty that hands everyone a buff at the start.
I’m happy to tank celestials, ~8 minutes and done, versus 8 stacks of determination 45 minutes into a 3 boss ‘raid’, which I am never tanking again retail or otherwise
I responded directly to your words, actually. Are you going to cry about it?
Insane revisionism of history. LFR has been a cesspool for its entire lifespan.
Something I do think is funny about this complaint towards LFR is that any serious guild is already doing the raids multiple times per week in split raids lol
Celestials don’t ‘fail’ but players fail to be capable of understanding them despite being in full celestial equipment.
That’s my point.
You’re in a group of 5 people and it can either be a 10 min run or a 25 min run.
Typically on my rogue/warr I’m doing the dps of the other 2 combined and the tank is keeping up with me or is down with the DPS.
Healers don’t ever pay attention properly so people die to simple mechanics
PEOPLE STILL RUN INTO BOMBS INTENTIONALLY
I mean I can literally give you 1000 reasons why I despise celestials and the main one being I run 30+ in a day and it’s all the same freaking thing.
Carrying people through what should be easier than deadmines.
…Okay?.. And? Are we trying to pretend 8 stacks of determination aren’t because players refuse to learn LFR’s basic mechanics despite being in full charity gear too?
8 minutes of being annoyed > 45 minutes of being annoyed
shrug if you don’t accept my anecdotes i don’t accept yours. Like I said, I’m fine with both options existing, but I am never touching LFR again if that’s the only path available
/reports/awZqGtLHQb4YKVX6?fight=11&type=damage-done at least 3 here were afk for this ilgynoth (legion) fight for my rank 1 parse for lfr. the damage for half the raid is terrible especially when looking at item level.
