Thanks for the clarification, i agree with you other than this belief that twinks are not competent players and believe they can ignore mechanics. I would say there are plenty of people at all levels that fall into that category. Not all twinks do
To be fair, i am an old man. Its been so long since i ran cata dungeons i have completely forgotten about chains of woe 
Agreed, at most I will just say not all twinks think they can ignore mechanics, but the number that are that way is enough you have say a 75% chance of getting one in a random group.
For me, it has been a while, but I am a gamer so if I see the mech, it is like “oh ya, need to do x to counter”
Ive done these dungeons so so so many times between TW and when they were live. I really stopped caring. I am ok with blasting through and being done. I only do them for 2 reasons. TW weekly cache and the trading post. There is no “adventure” in these dungeons. It’s just watching a rerun for the 100th time.
Oh, i can answer this one… Tol’Vir isn’t scaled correctly, the poison there literally does twice the hit points of a twink in a single tick.
There’s nothing a twink can to to prevent death, he either gets it or he doesn’t, but there are multiple points in Tol Vir where, at no fault of the twink, he will just go from full health to instant death in the blink of an eye.
I know all the spiteful people on the forums want to blame twinks for everything, but there’s literally nothing a twink can do to prevent death in Tol Vir short of not quing during Cata week.
Simply because something has “been that way since (timeframe here)” does NOT confer intent on it. That’s not how that works. Otherwise you would have to defend long standing bugs in the game as being intended. Or have to defend things like murder since it’s existed since the dawn of humanity. They don’t fix it because quite frankly they’re allergic to doing the work and deathly allergic to admitting they screwed up. Too many on the dev team are way too prideful to ever admit to making a mistake.
Point still stands, people abusing mechanics to one shot entire instances and invalidating group content have no place in the regular group pool, and that is a hill I will die on.
Does this hill your willing to die on extend to level 80’s? Should they be able to get gear to abuse mechanics and one shot entire instances (which no twink is doing btw, they are fast yes)? Mythic geared toons can already destroy timewalking and they will have a power increase in the coming weeks and then another becoming at least as powerful as a twink in tw. Twinks are in their bis now for the whole expansion, there will be no power creep for them.
why do you and your friends care at all?
Is that aimed at me?
Of your 4400 posts on these forums 4300 of them are crying about twinks.
I guarantee you have spent more time on these boards crying about twinks than you have had to spend with a twink in game.
I wish people can one shot mobs in mythic+. I’d gladly take those free vault every week so I can be full mythic geared with zero effort.
I can pull half the dungeon in one pull and not feel threatened.
When a twink is wearing full BiS and can one shot everything, we don’t need better gear.
There is / was a macro that could be used a certain way. Even with said 11 having xp turned off they were carrying friends / selling 2 min runs of TW dungeons for gold and such… Hope that helps explain it a little more and yes the ban wave was 100% the right thing to do by the way the macro had to be done in order to get it all to work right… It wasn’t a bug it was a full on exploit and they KNEW it while they were doing it.
Except Garahn is one of the many “Exploit Experts” talking out his rear because Blizzard never targeted macro users, and the few that did get hit had the bans removed with apologies from Blizzard.
Garahn just refuses to accept this reality because he lives in a world of denial… he wants to believe the bans were targeted to Twinks who used macros, so he goes around telling everyone thats what it was, even though it never was the case and almost every twink ban was reversed with apologies.
De Nile ain’t just another river in Egypt.
True bis is a protected term. There is true BIS (like nobody have it yet in NA and EU u’d need full socket + speed procs on everything) and ‘good enough’ which is 95-99% as effective as bis. Most twinks aim for good enough. A quick glance at your toon for example: U could use a 3 socket belt, higher ilev helm, swap the ooze since it doesn’t work in tw for balefire, socket wrist, and 7 seondary stat mainhand/offhand which with enchants is much better than staff. That said BIS is just used to flex doesn’t matter end of day when speed running dungeons especially with trinkets varying.
That said though nothing outside of evoker (grand fathered), druid (getting nerfed next season), warlock(no aoe) and shamman (slow/no aoe) can one shot bosses at 11. All other twinks are fast but definitely not one shot. level 70 dh in ilev 545 gonna be way faster than us all though anyways and once WWI season 4 drops twinks gonna clear slower than 80s.
A quick glance at your toon… there’s some problems i see:
A) you’re not a gnome
B) you still get one-shot and die in Tol’Vir.
Nobody complains about my toon on runs… they always want a reque. Its about having fun, i always take care of my groups.
PS: TWW will not have a S4… heck, might not even have a S3 at this rate.
I don’t like gnomes but at least ur not a mecha gnome. I can’t stand those guys.
I have a 11 geared at almost every class and this week only the melee ones are dying to the plague so just gonna bombard from range.
I’m not saying ur toon is bad for runs I’m just saying 1st not bis and 2nd geared level 70s and 80s later in the expansion are gonna absolutely out speed us so in a way it’s ‘not fair for 11s’ and ppl on this thread complaning doesn’t know what’s going on.
I guess we won’t talk about my Warrior twink, Robotwink-Sargeras.
Also, 80s will not outspeed us, they have no realistic way of reaching 49% speed and when they only do 5% of our damage in S1, and there’s no S4, i seriously doubt an overtake on anything short of head to toe mythic gear, which would make up less than 5% of any 80 in TW anyways… i cast serious shade on your predictions.
I haven’t seen him yet so I’ll assume he’s not a mechagnome
Well, I’m not making a guess at this point for 80s. If you look at 70s history will repeat itself. A level 70 in around 515 ilev gear (champion/hero gear) becomes about the ‘same’ power level as a twink and most true ilev 70 ‘twinks’ are ilev 520-545 which makes them much more powerful than us. With speed terts they can reach about 20% base speed even without a full set. They also have lots of mobility talents over us that allows them to even us on our 49% constant speed. If we really dived into speed, 70 will not run as fast as the fastest twink (worgen druid) but clear speed will be faster as they can one shot stuff. (resto druid and evoker comes very close. Evoker can match even a level 70 ilev 545 twink’s dmg but are slightly slower/clunky aoe. Resto druid can run as fast and one shot bosses when crit but they will get energy starved on trash pulls and bosses when they land unlucky crits.)
Level 80s at end of expansion will have the same gear levels 70 twinks currently have. Unless something seriously changes they will eventually clear faster than us.
Your doubts are logical btw, but look at 70s. A 70 with 300k-500khp gets stomped in tw and does 2% of our dmg. A 70 with 1500k hp one shots everything. 80s will receive the same treatment.