Letting people into lfr nzoth without cloak indicates blizzard doesn't care anymore

No. World Content is more rewarding than LFR. LFR is for basically nobody in terms of progression. It serves its purpose for a queued way to see the raid’s “story” I guess. But having 1 run = done forever seems like a pretty poor design.

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Oh no I agree don’t change it at all. You want to do current content? Well you’ll need to at least do the very bare bones minimum to do it. I think this is a good decision from blizzard. The first one in a very very very long time

That’s honestly not even the worst part about them. I quit raiding in uldir because of how garbage the raid was for ret (as a casual player). I then relied upon warfronts and emissaries to keep this character geared just a bit below a heroic raider, while doing other characters.

To me it was why do anything if the game was going to carry to the finish line? And then I decided to care about the game when essences came out. Gave a distinct clear goal and how to get them. Saved my wow playtime.

Heroic Warfronts saved them but they are still a bit annoying to do and I save them until the last minute. Not going to bother doing them on alts like I did with regular warfronts.

I dunno. Too many insane people already queueing up

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Bless your heart. You tried.

I’m a casual player, LFR was not designed for me at all

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It’s staggering how many people on the forums think that everyone who plays reads the forums or wowhead, icy veins, mmo-champ, etc… There’s a huge portion of the playerbase that just install the game, and play it. Those people have no idea about stuff like that until after the fact.

But calling new or inexperienced players stupid or lazy has worked wonders for the community over the past decade, so you guys keep that up.

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If I had any need to go into LFR, I’d suggest getting the cloak to those who die on pull.

Exactly. I would bet the majority of players don’t even read patch notes.

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Or know such a thing exists. lol

Was busy for a bit, just checked back. Still not seeing this 81% figure anywhere or any mention of player achievements in what you linked.
Everything I read in that link was about guilds and guilds with achievements.

AFAIK raiding has never been anywhere near that high among all players.

It’s completely plausible that Blizzard didn’t consider people with an ilvl high enough to get into N’Zoth would be without the cloak.

I mean. One would assume that if you’re doing LFR you might be somewhat up with current content.

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Alts, Blizzard forgot about those pesky alts again.
Doing re-runs of the cloak on alts is tedious at best. I speak from a vast wealth of experience having cloaked 27 characters because I like to suffer.

Boosts too! Not everyone is going to know to do all the old content up to unlocking Essences just to be able to start the cloak quests.
You could boost to 120, run some dungeons and be ready to go to LFR without ever doing all the prerequisite questing.

I noted that they added some skip options.

Why it isn’t a whole skip it all button boggles me.

They put too many rewards along the path to let us skip it all without impairing our characters.
You get 4 or 5 visions worth of currency, 100% corrupt wrist item and the quest unlock, tons of AP and eventually some Mementos.

If the let people skip it all, they would inevitably have people complaining about not having enough CV’s or Vessel’s.
So then they would have to add an option to go back and do all those quests without breaking everything.

They could simply give the player skipping it the average amount of vessels accrued along with the average currency.

People wanting to do it have the option to get more.

You’ll be okay.

Did I say anything about removing lfr? No i did not all I said was for the end game cinematic you can talk to a npc in the main hub and being expected to play the game for 2 hours to get the cloak to fight the last boss in the game isnt asking much. So where did get me saying remove lfr? I dont care it exists I dont use it so it has 0 effect on me or my experience in the game

Honestly that data was said to be capturing using guilds registered on WoWprogress for the respective raid sizes. It’s unfortunately not a good representation of the games population.

It’s safe to say most guilds that raid do log, but probably all that don’t raid don’t log, basically it makes the survey audience bias as it’s pretty much just asking all the people who do raid “do you raid” to which the answer is an obvious yes.

Raiding has never been straight up 81%+ of the game population otherwise LFR would have never been released in the first place as participation would have already been high and there would be no justification for it.

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Yes but if you read the article it said 98% peak for the raid active scene later in the article it those on active accounts who have the achievement that was 81%