Yep ice lance fits right into that category of overtuned instant cast.
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Iāve pvpād all weekend on my mage and while Frostbomb is out spamming those Icelances is fantastic. Not my favorite play style but its nice to see damage numbers of 1.5k+. I then cast a 2.5 sec frostfire bolt and see it hit for 545ā¦ and I cry a little inside.
Make casting matter again. Please for the love of game donāt go the retail route and give melee a billion interrupts and gap closers and allow casters to cast for big damage.
PS. Displacement is right up there with the best new skills in SOD. Its so much fun.
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Not when the class is squishy, but in general, yes. You can absolutely have a bursty class, but not when you also have high amount of Hp/armor and avoidance.
I see you made a post about Hunters should get Improved frenzied regeneration +retail deterrence and disengage, so you are probably not fit to discuss balance from an objective standpoint
WTF
I literally said the same thing
^ this was me responding to Zeyan about starting an alt with no gear/no ranks.
I never said they DO or even SHOULD ? Iveve never said anything different in ANY forums post other than the game should be more balanced to ALL specs and ideas. Multiple times. In mutliple different threads.
this whole time ive said the same message again and AGAIN, ILL SAY IT MORE AND MORE, being able to hit someone for 2.5k from extreamly long ranges multiple times without any real setup or skill isnt good or healthy for the game. And if that IS YOUR class then i hope its common sense that you should receive more of an actual kit to work with.
also ur last point since i know ur a hunter.
buddy if your being deadzoned with scatter shot/freezing trap with trap luancher on as a hunter your doing something incredibly wrong. enjoy. Also no mages dont walk around with 10k hp in BGs nor do hunters or rouges or priests ectā¦ do you even have any setting or addon turned on so you can see the average HP of people in your BGās?
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i mean if people (meaning most) are running around with 12k+ hp (which they arent other than hunters and tank spec people) then that damage would actually be on the low side.
but again, most arent.
there is considerations to what constitutes and affects balance on skills and over all classes.
range being one of them .
cast time being another.
there are quite a few others like damage it does, damage type , cooldowns, weather something is blockable or otherwise able to be mitigated , ect ect.
its like a pick 2 or something and not have the others.
being able to do both long range AND instant damage AND also doing BIG damage is kinda silly.
does it fit with the overall balance of hunters in this circumstance?
sometimes ya, sometimes no.
hunters have been top 1-3 for the whole of sod.
they are very very strong.
to be honest, ive focused a bit more on the more frustrating aspects of pvp in the form of tank specs being unkillable for some specs, but i feel like some of the more āvery strong in damage outputā classes might need a bit of a looksie cause not being able to kill someone at all through any damage you output is annoying but so is getting clipped by someone with like 3 shots and dying while still being 30+ yards away from them.
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Yet you complain that a warrior canāt do as much burst damage as a fire mageā¦
With the exception of rapid fire kill shot spam that requires you to have 4 pieces of PvE gear on and makes it so you canāt have lock n load AND also makes it so if you EVER change your helm EVEN if it is to rapid killing it puts rapid fire on a 5 MIN CD. Pretty much every other burst damage ability requires some form of set up. AND it also requires critsā¦
Yeah sure in a 1v1. But I guess in the world you live in no one has a pvp trinket either and scatter and trap also donāt DR or have a CD. Wish I lived in that worldā¦
What happens when 4 people on mounts are running at me and I am not in a narrow choke point that I can force the entire team to run through a frost trap? Yeah I can just aoe scatter and freeze everyone whenever I want so I should never ever be able to get dead zonedā¦ By that logic I should never be able to lose any fight ever cause no matter what, scatter and freezing trap are never Drād or on CDā¦ Ya boar me.
if 4 people are running at you your dead no matter what class you play you Goof LMAO.
Yea arms warrior and fire mage both stink? im pretty sure a catapiller outbursts both of them in SOD especially in PVP. What i said never changed if you get up close as a warrior you should 1000% smack/burst for as much if not more than a mage becuase you had to deal with CC and closing a gap to get there THE WHOLE REASON THE CLASSES ARE DIFFERENT IS FOR THOSE INTERACTIONS HOW DO U THINK I DONT UNDERSTAND THIS? DO YOU? Its Literally the rock paper scissors that each class offers and is based off? but in SOD fire mage has no defensives, its offesneives are garbage it has no kit. neither does arms warrior. Ill never say a single word differently. your just being silly.
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You dont have to scatter+trapā¦ you can now trap in combat. They trinket trapā¦ scatter them. Trap is on a super short CD in sod.
If 4 people are running at you except the death and go again.
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The fact that you even say this just proves you donāt know anything about PvPā¦ Like everything you say just revolves around 1v1s or 1vX I guess team fights donāt exist in this game.
So a Tanky class like warrior. That has multiple gap closers and a death grip. Has strong defensive CDs and and MS that legit letās you kill people thru healers. Should get to hit as hard as a class that is the easiest class in the game to kill and is completely reliant on Burst damage and has mana which runs out? A warrior that can train a target endlessly and never can go oom should get to hit HARDER than a fire mage? How much of a BUM are you?
Fire mage has no defensives in normal vanillaā¦
Arms has no kit? LMAO you are so bad at this gameā¦
Congrats you just scatter shot a guy for 2 sec because trap and scatter share DRā¦
Nah never give up never surrender we press on.
How much more time do you need to get out of DZ? lol
Is it not possible for me to get snared? What if the class has a gap closer? Like you think there are 0 variables in this game it is amazingā¦
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you never said anything about being in a team? IN FACT THE ONLY WORD YOU USED WAS I. YOU NEVER SAID WE!!! why didnt you just add on how your team plays it? or other classes mechanics in a teamfight your just pulling this out of your butt now. LMAO you sound so dumb man.
HERE IS YOURRRR POST WHERE DOES IT SAY WE OR MY TEAM???
Dude, ever heard of consumables? We can go tick for tack but there are many ways to get back out of DZ. I canāt tell you how to play ur class. its something you will have to learn on ur own.
Ok sure there are I never denied that. But to imply that a hunter should never be able to get deadzoned under any circumstance as the other BUM did is dumbā¦
I never said thatā¦ I do say hunter has many ways to get out of DZ. Is it hard? Yes, but learning that will separate you from the terrible hunters and make you a great one.
None of that matters. Your point was that a hunter should never be able to get deadzoned ever at allā¦ impossible to achieveā¦ that is the dumbest thing ever. Now you are just trying to move the goal post because you are a BUM.
You think it is impossible for anyone to 1v4 by that logic no one should never be able to win with a number disadvantage. Yet I 4v10 BUMs all the time in BGs.
I never said you said thatā¦ I said the OTHER BUM said that.
WHERE does you post say we or my team?
Also for warriors trinket can only be used once every 2 minutes if you have bloodmoon luckily if they do you have multiple other abilities that slow like wingclip that has a 20% chance to root them. You CAN deadzone warrior charge. death grip can be parried. Luckily you have ways of increasing your parry chance. You are a horrible hunter. You never even once mentioned engineering gernades.
Lmao I talk about grenades all the time. Why would I waste deter from 30 yards away to MAYBE stop a death grip when I can just burrow out? You said warrior has no kitā¦ You are wrong bud. Also grenades vs orcs lmao
sure thing there buddy.
btw i would love to see the video of it.
also wouldnt that make your class even more op than shaman ?
i mean at best they are 1v4 ing .
you 1 vs 10 ā¦
i dont know. maybe op?
oh i diddnt see the 4 vs 10 ā¦
less impressive but still maybe op?
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It legit says 4v10. Are we 4v10ing perfect mix/max players that know what they are doing? probably not, maybe we kill a few. Are we 4v10ing the average BUMs that cry on the forums? Yeah, we are.