Let's talk about the current Battleground situation

[Etrich-bloodsail-buccaneers]

@Kaan-echo-isles

I think premades are an unfair barrier for entry into PvP because they’re occupying the biggest place for new players.

That is, at least for some of the people engaging in this activity, the intention. It’s most certainly not all, mind you. You’ve also got people who just want to pubstomp and aren’t really considering the long term ramifications, while a smaller number are actively seeking conflict with other premades in the hope of reclaiming that old EBG feel.

I don’t know why they would make an active effort to try and force the average player out of the only entry level PvP mode they can really turn to, but I do know it’s working. The current state of PvP is not great - it shows in the participation numbers.

[Hirav-khazgoroth]

I can’t quote the first question, so I won’t.

I don’t believe that I am.

@Greylyth-moon-guard

do you enjoy punching down to others?

Yes, yes I do.

[Neckro-arthas]

@Greylyth-moon-guard

Do you enjoy punching down to others?

The answer to this should be very obvious just given his behavior here.

[Greylyth-moon-guard]

Glad that you admit it,

[Greylyth-moon-guard]

I agree, but bad people don’t see themselves as bad people. The path the hell is paved with good intentions.

[Hirav-khazgoroth]

@Etrich-bloodsail-buccaneers

make an active effort to try and force the average player out

I don’t know if I’d describe it as an active effort.

[Hirav-khazgoroth]

@Kaan-echo-isles

Never once have I complained

Did I say that you did?

Again, if I say you said something, I’ll either quote it, or say “You said (insert said thing here).”

@Kaan-echo-isles

But we can do things to address the disadvantages that are beyond the intentions of game design.

We can, I suppose, but you don’t pay my sub and so you don’t get to tell me how I have to play the game.

Blizzard seems to be ok with premades, so I’ll play with them until that changes.

@Kaan-echo-isles

A guild filling one half of an EBG is not the intention of EBGs.

How about a guild filling one half of a Random Battleground, is that fine?

@Kaan-echo-isles

And that’s why I think premades are an unfair barrier for entry into PvP

Yes, I know.

And I disagree.

Just because players choose to play in EBGs with no gear or no understanding of their class doesn’t mean that the enemy team has to support them.

[Kaan-echo-isles]

Did I say that you did?

No, you just heavily imply things by randomly throwing out that I’m not allowed to complain about something.

you don’t pay my sub

I’m not telling you how to play the game. I’m saying that the way you play EBGs should be addressed by Blizzard

One half of an RBG?

Someone else can address that – I don’t really have a strong opinion on it. I mostly stick in EBGs.

Doesn’t mean that the enemy team has to support them

Thankfully, that’s not what I’m asking for. I’m asking for both teams to have more balanced compositions to more accurately match the average player.

My solution would be a separate mode for raid queues with epic maps. They no longer have to drop or dodge, and everyone knows what they’re signing up for

[Hirav-khazgoroth]

@Kaan-echo-isles

My solution would be a separate mode for raid queues with epic maps.

Oh, good, more fracturing of the already sparse population.

My solution is this:

@Hirav-khazgoroth

The only way to stop queue syncing is to:

1. Add a stacking debuff for not taking a queue.
2. Fill more than one battleground at once from the same queue.
3. Stagger queue pops so that people who are queued together can’t tell if they are in the same instance or not.
4. Full randomized cross faction queues, like Blitz and RBGs. (This will also allow the match maker to spread healers out across both teams.)

At the very least, adding a debuff is the easiest and fastest solution, it already exists for other queues.

[Kaan-echo-isles]

more fracturing of the already sparse population

I disagree with that happening. I think you’d see a mini-revival of EBGs, with plenty of players trying it out for the first time in a long time.

But I can’t imagine the raid queue EBGs would see much use if these guilds don’t actually do it for the competition.

[Neckro-arthas]

At the end of the day, it’s bad behavior from grown adults blinded by self-inflated egos, derived from farming pugs in an unrated PvP mode, and exploiting a broken queue system that Blizzard needs to fix.

[Hirav-khazgoroth]

So, what do you think about my solution?

[Kaan-echo-isles]

I think just having a separate EBG mode for large groups would be ideal. It doesn’t need to be too convoluted

[Hirav-khazgoroth]

How would it deal with irregularly sized groups?

If a premade only had 20 players online, for instance. Or 23. Or whatever.

[Notorious-blood-furnace (Notorious)]

@Kaan-echo-isles

It doesn’t need to be too convoluted

I hate EBG syncs as much as the next guy, but having two separate brackets which fractures the player base is the more convoluted option, no?

[Hirav-khazgoroth]

Read 6 posts up.

[Neckro-arthas]

@Kaan-echo-isles

I think just having a separate EBG mode for large groups would be ideal.

They don’t advocate for this because they know it would be a waste of dev time. The raid queue would be dead on arrival.

[Notorious-blood-furnace (Notorious)]

I saw your solutions and they make sense to me.

I understood him saying he doesn’t want all that and just wants a separate bracket due to the separate bracket being less convoluted.

Did I misunderstand?

[Kaan-echo-isles]

I was under the impression that premades only existed to fight other premades, right?

Can’t you guys start some intermural league and make use of the raid queue? If a premade doesn’t have enough players online to fill a raid, then they can solo or group queue up to 5 and take the first pop they get.

[Hirav-khazgoroth]

@Notorious-blood-furnace

Did I misunderstand?

No, just that they don’t think that having a separate queue would fracture the population more, which is wild.

And they appear to have not thought about their separate queue in any depth.