2/2/6 is the preferred composition for pugs atm.
2/4/14 is the bold ones but I almost never see groups higher than that unless they’re super confident pug leaders or with guild.
Just the fact that others are suggesting that I should try 10 man combo is them saying (20 man combo is not doable at the moment for pugs) which is telling in itself. You got issues on your hands with this boss.
I’m at pull 72 now since I did 11 pulls with ilvl 615’s 7/8 H or better. It didn’t work and I didn’t see much difference. Only difference I noticed was the roots were less that’s it. It’s the same as 20 man combo. Players die the same in 10 man as 20 man. Spend 1 hour of your day in LFG and see how many groups are there for H queen, you’ll see a good 20 groups all are stuck in p1. Fix this mess.
I learn the fights that’s how I get my win and gear not get carried the way you assume shift. I know nothing about queen’s P2 and P3 and I’m still learning P1 after 72 pulls. I was expecting around 125 pulls to get a defeat, but now I don’t know if this will ever happen. Thanks a lot. You are so out of touch with your player base.
p2/p3 are easy by comparison.
Never experienced a front-loaded progression boss before?
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Its such a fun fight, the problem (which is not a problem imo) is how you CANT miss one mechanic or you are dead. When you compare it to, lets say, court, you csn be hit by the stun or the web and live, but not Queen.
Got to P2 a couple of times but the hardest part is for the tanks in P1 imo, I have seen sooooo many tanks wiping this fight.
If anyone needs a holy for aotc let me know hahah I love that fight (with a pres its even more fun)
The biggest problem with this fight is group-size. Between the poison puddles from Liquify and the webs from breaking roots, area denial can become problematic. Tanks need to be aggressive in moving the boss away from the poison so players can stack tight with roots and the raid needs to be proactive about spreading for strands.
If tanks are dying it’s because healers aren’t clearing the absorbs from Feast.
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I’m doing okay now in p1, I do die rarely in p1 if I make a mistake but that’s very rare. I die when all the raid is dead now. Raid keeps telling me (you’re the RL remove bad players), and I’m like remove who??? Every pull 3 or 4 die way early and it’s never the same players. So, who do I remove??? The entire raid?? The player base is having a hard time with these 1 shot mechanics period. I mean there is a WA for popping the blob for goodness sake which is an ultra-easy mechanic IMO. I don’t use WA and I never missed a pop for odd groups. NEVER. I still have to work on dodging waves in shield phase since I only saw that phase twice.
I know it’s Monday and all the good raiders are gone, I’ll try Tuesday if I can manage to defeat all 7 bosses in 1 setting. Beating Brood and Court is not really an easy task and I expect a few groups and wipes here. All this assuming maintenance doesn’t get extended. I did hear that p2 and p3 get easier. Only potential progression point in P2 would be the dispel and DOT healing, and for P3 is making sure essence players use portal last and the shackles.
EDIT: I have never faced a front-loaded progression before. I don’t recall in all my raiding in wow facing a boss where all the mechanics are in P1 and the rest of the fight is easier. I hope such approach will end with the queen. Reason why I say that because my personal experience after 72 pulls and dying within 3 minutes average has been nothing but miserable, anger, frustration, irritable and just wanted to reach P2 but unable to. That is my personal experience and I can’t speak for anyone else. Maybe some will agree/disagree I don’t know.
Why are you assuming people are using weakauras?
I’m not assuming they are using WA. They are saying they’re using it and provide a link for it in raid for others to use it. they even tell me “let me download the WA” when they find out they are chosen to pop the blob. I’m not making this up.
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Why are you having clueless people pop the blob?
Have six people that know.
Like surely, you can find someone qualified to do that pugging.
And you only need five, cause you can be one.
I find five that know how to pop the blob now, but at first I had no choice but to select random as that’s what I had to work with. It’s not an issue to find five now most of the time.
You don’t add that responsibility on random people, you find people willing to do it.
What is killing your groups? Is it miss matched Toxin groups? Bad Liquify drops? People dying to Web Lines/baiting them bad? Poor root breaks?
yea this. if everyone is alive by the end of p1 and intermission you’ve basically won assuming people don’t do super silly things like not killing spooders in p3. It’s just a bad boss for pugs because well, they want their kill in 5 or less pulls but I think overall that’s fine.
Honestly I just see players dropping like candy. From what idk. Rare cases now the blob on evens side doesn’t get popped ( I pop odds side and never miss that) which causes a wipe in under 30 sec. Tanks sometimes die from what IDK. Roots sometimes don’t get broken completely. In general there is a lot going on that simply put idk what keeps killing the raid because I focus on staying alive.
If you’re raid leading, you should know why your raid dies.
That’s one of the reasons why people run details.
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Probably from feast, healer’s not healing the heal absorb potentially.
that’s your area of expertise my man you are a fury warrior, your cds line up perfectly for roots if melee roots aren’t getting broken there is a problem there.
Yeah blame me for the wipes. What do you have to say about the 20 or so groups that are failing as we speak at H queen. Go now and look how many “H Queen” games in LFG that’s failing. Who is fault is that? By your perfect logic it’s the RL for each group. Right?
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RL has control of the group. You can’t expect to kill the boss if you aren’t removing people who stand in liquify and web blades.
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Okay I agree, but when it’s not the same person each time what do you recommend I do? Remove the entire raid? I say that because almost the entire raid does it one pull or another. So, you tell me what should I do here? Remove who?
If it was 3 to 4 players that keep doing it then yes I’m with you, but when the entire raid does it I have no choice. I leave the group and try another group who are 7/8 H or better with the exact same outcome happening again. Do you see a trend here?
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here in lies the problem. at some point you just gotta throw your hands up and join a guild that’s willing to prog. pugs are zero commitment and even trying to prog with them is worthless because they will all leave within the hour and your back to your starting position on the boss.