Lets Revisit Why There is a Black Lotus Problem

[Larryy-netherwind]

The best way to fix black lotus is to add more (a lot more) spawn locations (as it is incredibly way too easy to camp the ten or so locations in each zone) and speed up the respawn rates to match a vastly higher populated server compared to vanilla servers. Increase all resource respawns to match population really. Adding herbs to AV will change very little.

[Frosto-faerlina]

@Lucasa-faerlina

This is a great plan!

It wasn’t a plan. It was a question.

[Zydax-kromcrush]

@Rabit-atiesh

Also, Black Lotus is a rare herb, rare being the key word. Vanilla and IP thieves never had the population Classic has managed to achieve.

Well dont actually know, because blizz doesn’t publish numbers anymore, but I’d bet vanilla had way more total players than classic does. The difference is it’s a much different community. Also earlier in vanilla BL was also available in WPL, felwood, AV, un’goro, and azshara iirc. So we have 2-5 times the original server populations, and half the number of lotuses. Yes it true to 1.12, but it’s not working out very well.

@Rabit-atiesh

And if the raids are in fact “tuned down” to easy mode, why do you need flasks? Was the tuning the solution to the lack of a resource?

Classic raids are not nerfed, or tuned down. Class revamps and updated gear are the big reasons MC and BWL feel undertuned. For instance when MC was current there was no such thing as dps warriors. Not because people didn’t know about them, but because they weren’t good. Warriors didn’t dps untill after their revamp, which was 1.6 I believe, and it took time for it to catch on. Warlocks were hot garbage until their revamp as well. Also all gear is in its 1.12 state, so dungeon gear is significantly better than it was in vanilla. We also have 15 years of theory crafting. There’s items that were completely overlooked in vanilla that are clearly BiS now. Hindsight is 20/20.

[Naamtar-grobbulus]

I did not know they spawned in those zones pre 1.12 - that’s good info to have.

[Alaundis-wyrmrest-accord]

@Bulkbogan-fairbanks

The market is controlled by botters, because the supply has been cut to a tenth of what it should actually be for all of the herbs that should be spawning in AV. What don’t you get about this? It’s about making the state of the game healthier and better for everyone.

So how do we stop botters that load into AV, rush to the herbs, then /afk?

How does 5 spawns of Lotus per phase of AV actually significantly reduce inflation?

[Alaundis-wyrmrest-accord]

@Zydax-kromcrush

Well dont actually know, because blizz doesn’t publish numbers anymore, but I’d bet vanilla had way more total players than classic does.

@Overcrowded Realm Update

Based on name reservations so far, the Herod realm is looking to be massively overpopulated. If all existing players on this server remain there, login queues in excess of 10,000 players are a certainty, and possibly much higher than that.

We recently opened up the Stalagg realm, and we urge players on Herod to consider moving there. There are a lot of players currently on Herod and we want Stalagg to fill up before we open any new PvP realms. This is so that player population is spread as evenly as possible before launch, in order to provide the best play experience.

While we are able to fit several times more players on a single realm in 2019 than was the case in 2006, we are not going to raise that cap any further, even though we have the technical capacity to do so. Raising realm caps would simply forestall the problem, letting more players in at launch but creating an unsustainable situation down the line, with severe queues when we turn off layering permanently before Phase 2 of our content unlock plan.

Please also note that our realm population estimates of Low, Medium, High, and Full are based on this increased capacity – a Medium realm today already has more characters on it than even the most crowded realms did back in 2006.

Our top priority in planning for WoW Classic’s launch has been ensuring that we are laying the groundwork for strong realm communities that will endure over the months and years to follow, which is why we’re cautiously opening new servers to meet demand.

We do know.

[Absentiá-maelstrom]

They would be gone quickly though, and then the game would go on. I wouldn’t think they would respawn throughout the game would they? I didn’t see it in Vanilla so I’m not sure.

[Alaundis-wyrmrest-accord]

afaik they spawned at the very beginning of the AV and that was it. So, literally 5 more BL in the market per instance. And that’s assuming everyone got the BL was a.)on your faction and b.) on your realm

[Stango-benediction]

Yes there is plenty of black lotus just a few monopolize it. People have hundreds ready for aq. I wonder if they are even needed. From what i remember from vanilla and how much better the average raiding guild is. I say no and hope the market gets flooded and prices drop just like the day layering can back.

[Rickroll-stalagg]

I am in decent guild where we clear BWL in 1h and MC in 1h5mins+
Noone cares about flasks or lotus in our guild except one druid who farms them in my guild and asks me sometimes to help and we split lotuses during that time. We sell them off, people will only bring them 1st two raids in AQ, and then only tanks will have them that will be provided by Guild. Why do you need it so much? Parsing?

[Stango-benediction]

We just use in bwl to make sure the tank doesnt take a 1 shot hit. So 200g isnt a big deal once a week. I dont even understand the price other then horders trying to monopolize the market.

[Farnese-herod]

If herbs spawned in AV the Horde would dominate them

[Stango-benediction]

That fix some of the issue but they just make flasks so not a big deal. It might cut into some botting but flask recipes not that rare

[Rhumsy-grobbulus]

I like this

[Lucasa-faerlina]

@Alaundis-wyrmrest-accord

afaik they spawned at the very beginning of the AV and that was it. So, literally 5 more BL in the market per instance. And that’s assuming everyone got the BL was a.)on your faction and b.) on your realm

In vanilla when lotuses spawned in Av youd usually have 1 or 2 games that would sometimes last literally days… so 5 lotus per wasnt REALLY a big deal. Entirely not the case when your average AV game last 30 minutes. You’re talking about thousands more Lotus in the economy.

Plus you’ll inevitably end up with a ton of people who join AV, run to the node spawns then immediately Afk out. You’ll end up with a bunch of half empty AVs. If you think Bots and Afkers in AV are bad now…

[Supertroll-atiesh]

Dude, give up.

He went to college, don’tcha know?

[Zydax-kromcrush]

@Alaundis-wyrmrest-accord

We do know

No we don’t. Classic launched with only 13 servers. Vanilla had way more. Server pops are higher now for sure. But overall pop is probably nowhere close. By the time TBC launched wow was around 8 million. I’d bet my next paycheck classic doesn’t have 8 million active players

[Viratrix-blaumeux]

you do realize 1.5 AV would change exactly nothing with the current AV meta right?

[Worldoflol-firetree-778251]

months of black lotus posts with not even a mention of potential fix, ive accepting they arent going to do anything about it.

[Graff-nathrezim]

Too many people per server. Done.