Let’s not be too eager to ask for the stuff that came over the course of the last 15 years leading to the Classic release in the first place.
I see people asking for stuff to come like duel spec and transmog and all of this nonsense that created the retail experience which so many people then despised.
It just seems like the culture is trying to speed up the game to reach its retail counterpart and taking away from the experience that was, or is, Vanilla, BC, etc…
Maybe take a step back and enjoy the game as it was so that we don’t all kill this Classic experience too quickly.
If you keep asking for new content, they are going to give it to you rapidly and we are going to see the game’s demise sooner than you’d like.
Once you have it, then what? FFXIV…? Back to retail? Eek.
That would be true if dual spec and transmog was the reason that retail is so bad. It’s not a fun game to play. That’s what makes it bad. Removing dual spec and transmog from retail will not make it a good game.
I was not saying duel spec or transmog would ruin the game or make retail better if left behind. I’m saying that it is the onset of all of these changes, beginning to occur more rapidly, that is ruining the game. The two mentioned changes were just some of the initial ones that started the landslide of events leading to a horrible retail experience.
Imagine having a Honda Civic that never failed you, but you seek a Maserati so badly. You finally do all the bullshiz to get the Maserati, just to realize it’s a piece of junk and not made nearly as well as the Civic. You then sell the Maserati and buy a new Honda Civic. After 2 weeks you want to spend more money to be more miserable by asking for the same things that ruined your experience in the first place… another Maserati. Gotta love the cycle here.
My parents always told me history tends to repeat itself. Way to prove that to use Blizzard <3
Pandora’s Box definitely been opened. I think Blizzard knows they are killing their game again, but the revenue generation is just too good to ignore while they have the opportunity. From a business stance, better to use the old game to make new money that you’d have never had had the release of the old game not been had. Pretty simple. I get it… Just shows that the player was never cared for though of course. It’s a profit thing, always was after about… 2006.
Again, that argument is predicated on the idea that QoL changes and cosmetic changes somehow snowballed into the dumpster fire that is SL.
At some point the game just became too big. There were too many levels and too many spells, so they sped up the leveling to such a degree that it’s almost meaningless. They couldn’t keep adding spells, so they release these systems that dominate every expansion and then disappear right before going into the next. That level of bloat, for lack of a better word, isn’t going to be an issue in classic.
We don’t need to be so afraid of these changes. It seems very unlikely that something like dual spec will come to TBC anyway. The only changes they seem to really get behind are the changes that fix issues with actually playing the game. Layering and HvH are good examples of that.
None of the changes being asked for would give us the same product that retail is. It’s an entirely different game. Anyone spouting “changes will give us retail” are idiots. Genuine idiots. The entire position is perpetuates.
If you’re going to talk about a specific change, you need to talk about that change based on the merits of that change alone. Whether positive or negative. Dropping a blanket statement saying it’s going to turn the game into retail is just dumb.
I mean it basically encapsulates the whole point people make by saying “#no changes” without going into the science on why these changes eventually lead to retail. Aside from the fact that there are many discussions here that do specifically describe why adding these changes will eventually lead back to retail or a retail version of the game, most people barely listen to anything that does not compute with their children’s notion of “I want this change now because it benefits me”.
So the sentence: These changes eventually lead back to retail basically tell the whole point.
I mean its not even hard to understand that concept really. You literally just have to look at retail and see how it slowly developed into what it became today over time. There literally is a roadmap out there what lead to retail and it incorporates changes like you ask for.
Will dual spec turn the game suddenly into retail? No. But there is a time and a place for dual spec and that is WotlK. Also, if we grant some people dual spec, why not grant other changes to TBC? It never ends. If they add dual spec, people come up with other “brilliant” ideas to “enhance” the game. As they always will. And then they add those and it just spirals out. Atleast in original retail that journey took over years. WotlK was still playable and it took years for this to take hold. For some reason TBCC needs to be on a fasttrack to retail 2.0. HvH mode alone is about as bad as it gets.
Btw none of these changes that players ask for are even inventive or new. Its just copypasta trash that has been added to retail over time. Its literally all those features that are incorporated in retail.
Its pretty pointless to talk with the retail crowd here on why even small changes that start as a snowball eventually end up as an avalanche that crash the whole foundation.
Its just faster to say “changes will give us retail”. You don’t want to listen anyway, like a spoiled child.
Hey, those no changes people are the ones that fought for years to get Blizzard to even make Classic in the first place.
Blizzard did not want to do it. So before you go bashing them, you may want to take a step back and realize, you would not even have TBCC if it were not for the no changes crowd.
And I for one do not blame them for being pissed. They fought for years and when they finally get it, the retail crowd come storming in and ruins it and then act like the no changes crowd are wrong.
Classic was never going to be #nochanges. You guys keep throwing this hashtag around when there were changes made on day one. The current population just can’t support that version of the game.
And your point? If was never supposed to support that population in the first place. It was for the no changes people. You know, those people that fought for it for years. Everyone else decided to invade it and then complained.
Again, if I was one of the people who fought for this for years, I would not only be pissed, I would never trust Blizzard again.
Not every person that wanted classic was a #nochanges guy. Clearly your hard work didn’t matter because we’ve yet to see a #nochanges version of classic. It just wasn’t going to work when you have so few people playing it and you have people that have grown accustomed to the only good parts about retail. What did you think was going to happen?
Retail players have retail, that is their game. What I expected to happen was for Blizzard to say, “If you cannot handle the way WoW was in 2004 or 2007, then classic is not for you, sorry.”
I realize that what we have is not what was asked for. And I accept that, but I can also see why many of the players are pissed.
I hope so too. But each day I grow more and more concerned about what this Dev team is going to do with it, or if Classic will even survive long enough to make it to Wrath.