If the issue is load/server stress - then how are they going to handle the capital cities without sharding?
How will they handle pvp raids on the capital cities?
How will they handle tarren mill vs. southshore pre-battle ground release?
If the issue is not load, then no need for sharding. If the issue is load, then they need to be honest about the product they are selling and their intentions.
If you listen to Ion's answer in the QnA, it doesn't seem to be about technical issues and server stress. It's about too many players competing over quests. Basically, they don't want 'tourists' scared off because they have to wait in line to kill a quest mob, or be forced to *gasp* group.
Blizz wants minimal servers with huge populations (much larger caps than Vanilla had) because they expect a lot of that initial surge of players to leave and they don't want dead servers. So to accommodate players they expect to leave, they want to add the convenience of less overcrowding. I admit the logic still baffles me a bit.
11/11/2018 11:45 PMPosted by
Mogar
If you listen to Ion's answer in the QnA, it doesn't seem to be about technical issues and server stress.
He literally said to solve launch day load problems. Exact wording.
11/11/2018 09:17 PMPosted by
Tuathaa
okay, you have fun not playing wow.
ill have fun leveling. Ill maybe experience sharding for... about 3 hours? if its restricted to elwynn forest..
I personally find it insane you arent willing to put up with sharding for 3 hours lol.. I honestly just baffled. and im sure most of the classic staff is too.
you are being unreasonable. they know it.. and they dont care about what you do.
They care about classic and dont want sharding either.. but you arent helping them come up with a better solution by whining about it.
Several solutions have been presented some far more profitable for Blizzard.
Hopefully they decide on one of them before they implement an utterly useless feature that is not needed
where? dynamic spawns? 10x worse than sharding..
nothing I have seen comes close to being as cost effective as sharding. feel free to copy paste a suggestion because ive been over these forums a lot and have yet to see any solution that is rational and more ideal than sharding.
nothing I have seen comes close to being as cost effective as sharding.
Poor Blizzard. Maybe you can start a fundraiser for them.
Then again..launch day to me is not all about "questing". There's so much more to it. I'm glad I got to experience a vanilla launch on modern hardware because it was so much smoother than what I recall in 2004.
Short-term convenience aside, you are so correct about launch day. I'd prefer to have a launch day that long persists in my memory, one with hundreds of people in the zones where it is a struggle to complete quests and we are clawing for XP any way we can. Dinging 10 or even 5 will mean so much more in such a context.
It will all be over in a matter of days or a week once players disperse, what's the big rush?
If there's any sharding at launch, I don't trust ActiBlizz to not add it in to other areas permanently. They've burned that trust bridge too many times.
Any sharding at all means I'll just give up on ever playing Classic again and will move on.
Sharding defeats my entire motivation of wanting to play WoW again. In fact, once I saw it in the Demo on the first day it was out, I logged off and never logged in again.
It feels like a sucker-punch by Blizzard to promise they want to "
restore the authentic experience of Vanilla World of Warcraft" -
and state that they know we don't want sharding - and then put sharding into Vanilla that was never there and, worse, DESTROYS, everything Vanilla was about: sharing the World of Warcraft TOGETHER with friends in one community, one realm, one world.
[J. Allen] Brack is clear that using modern server architecture doesn’t mean that these Classic servers will have the same features that current World of Warcraft does. There won’t be cross-realm servers or Looking For Raid and Dungeon Finder automatic party matchmaking. There’s still a lot of questions about how the team will tackle it, but Brack says they’re committed to recreating an authentic Vanilla World of Warcraft experience. "One of the tenets of Classic WoW is none of the cross-server realms and different [server] sharding options that we have available to us today. There’s a lot of desire on part of the community that this is something that they don’t want."
-- Source PC Gamer: https://www.pcgamer.com/this-is-how-blizzard-plans-to-finally-bring-back-vanilla-wow-servers/
Blizzard:
How many times do we have to say this? You already know we don’t want shjarding. I have to state this again? NO SHARDING!
How many times do we have to say this? You already know we don’t want sharing. I have to state this again? NO SHARDING!
Please speak for yourself.
Personally, I'm fine with sharding the starting areas at launch. It's better than an unplayable mess.
11/12/2018 07:38 AMPosted by
Natiari
Personally, I'm fine with sharding the starting areas at launch. It's better than an unplayable mess.
Right. Because It's one or the other with Blizzard. Maybe they need to talk to those awful criminals from those private servers and see how they managed it.
11/11/2018 09:45 PMPosted by
Vhok
keep fooling yourself. you will be there day 1 hour 1 minute 1 second 1 shoving everyone else aside as you attempt to log in first just like everyone else.
I'm not fooling myself at all.
Sharding/crz was one of the reasons I left wow to begin with.
It was intrusive and frustrating to see everything appear and disappear all the time.
You think I'm going to shell out $15 to get that experience all over again ?
No. I'll wait 2-3 weeks. By then it will be evident if sharding goes beyond the 1-10 zones.
11/11/2018 09:17 PMPosted by
Tuathaa
...
Several solutions have been presented some far more profitable for Blizzard.
Hopefully they decide on one of them before they implement an utterly useless feature that is not needed
where? dynamic spawns? 10x worse than sharding..
nothing I have seen comes close to being as cost effective as sharding. feel free to copy paste a suggestion because ive been over these forums a lot and have yet to see any solution that is rational and more ideal than sharding.
In just about every sharding thread.
Read through the 2k post thread about shardind there are several there from charging for early accesss to dropping a major current retail patch at the same time as well as box charges, etc.
The condition I set pretty much is two things.
1. No sharding even from beginning. If met, I am happy even with a crappy launch which is to be expected.
2. Sharding is only temporary in assisting with the launch. I will have a subscription set for one month upon Classic being released. If sharding is still present by time my subscription will end... I am out.
That is literally the ultimatum that should be given to Blizzard in "trust". We trust that they will get rid of sharding before a subscription is up.
Sharding defeats my entire motivation of wanting to play WoW again. In fact, once I saw it in the Demo on the first day it was out, I logged off and never logged in again.
It feels like a sucker-punch by Blizzard to promise they want to "restore the authentic experience of Vanilla World of Warcraft" - and state that they know we don't want sharding - and then put sharding into Vanilla that was never there and, worse, DESTROYS, everything Vanilla was about: sharing the World of Warcraft TOGETHER with friends in one community, one realm, one world.
[J. Allen] Brack is clear that using modern server architecture doesn’t mean that these Classic servers will have the same features that current World of Warcraft does. There won’t be cross-realm servers or Looking For Raid and Dungeon Finder automatic party matchmaking. There’s still a lot of questions about how the team will tackle it, but Brack says they’re committed to recreating an authentic Vanilla World of Warcraft experience. "One of the tenets of Classic WoW is none of the cross-server realms and different [server] sharding options that we have available to us today. There’s a lot of desire on part of the community that this is something that they don’t want."
-- Source PC Gamer: https://www.pcgamer.com/this-is-how-blizzard-plans-to-finally-bring-back-vanilla-wow-servers/
Blizzard:
How many times do we have to say this? You already know we don’t want shjarding. I have to state this again? NO SHARDING!
They had sharing in the TBC launch for the primary zones and it worked FLAWLESSLY.
Trust me - you WANT this for the beginner zones.
How about we find out if it is definitely being used in the first place?
11/12/2018 07:45 AMPosted by
Lhyme
Right. Because It's one or the other with Blizzard. Maybe they need to talk to those awful criminals from those private servers and see how they managed it.
They didn't. Their launches were terrible. Unplayable and progression at a standstill...
11/12/2018 10:46 AMPosted by
Banja
They had sharing in the TBC launch for the primary zones and it worked FLAWLESSLY.
Trust me - you WANT this for the beginner zones.
So people are just flat out making things up now?
11/12/2018 10:46 AMPosted by
Banja
They had sharing in the TBC launch for the primary zones and it worked FLAWLESSLY.
Trust me - you WANT this for the beginner zones.
We're gonna need a citation on that.
Then again if it were true you would have provide one..right ?
11/12/2018 10:55 AMPosted by
Mogar
11/12/2018 10:46 AMPosted by
Banja
They had sharing in the TBC launch for the primary zones and it worked FLAWLESSLY.
Trust me - you WANT this for the beginner zones.
So people are just flat out making things up now?
Defenders of the Shard
Throw anything at the wall and hope it sticks.
11/12/2018 10:55 AMPosted by
Mogar
11/12/2018 10:46 AMPosted by
Banja
They had sharing in the TBC launch for the primary zones and it worked FLAWLESSLY.
Trust me - you WANT this for the beginner zones.
So people are just flat out making things up now?
Obviously especially since TBC launch wasnt exactly flawless and they didnt start sharding until WoD