Layering: not rocket science

[Ravokion-ravenholdt]

I don’t understand why so many of you people are so bent out of shape about layering.

Pretty simple: it wasn’t in vanilla, and it ruins the game.

Again, back to Blizzard trying to make sure they have a smooth launch. You seriously want crashing servers, and hour long ques before you can play the game you’ve been waiting for? No. you along with everyone else want to play on day one.

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

Again, back to Blizzard trying to make sure they have a smooth launch.

They’re going about it the wrong way.

There’s plenty of ways to ensure a smooth launch that don’t involve changing the game for the worse.

You seriously want crashing servers

Not going to happen given the modern infrastructure, and if that happens, layering won’t do anything to solve it. If anything, layering will make the problem worse by allowing more people to play at the same time.

hour long ques before you can play the game you’ve been waiting for?

If they even get that long, I’d much rather wait in a queue that long than have layering.

No. you along with everyone else want to play on day one.

I’ll be able to play day one with or without layering. Layering will just make my day one experience (and every day layering exists past that point) far worse.

[Vøøðøø-blackrock (Vøøðøø)]

I don’t understand why so many of you people are so bent out of shape about layering.

Pretty simple: it wasn’t in vanilla, and it ruins the game.

Again, back to Blizzard trying to make sure they have a smooth launch. You seriously want crashing servers, and hour long ques before you can play the game you’ve been waiting for? No. you along with everyone else want to play on day one.

That is a slippery slope.

[Ravokion-ravenholdt]

Again, back to Blizzard trying to make sure they have a smooth launch.

They’re going about it the wrong way.

There’s plenty of ways to ensure a smooth launch that don’t involve changing the game for the worse.

How is if for the worse? The game runs smoother for everyone right out of the gates. the whole layering will be gone soon after launch, any everything will be as it should. It’s literally a system to act as a buffer so everyone gets to play in the pool. Phase 1 layer doesn’t matter by the time the game gets to phase 4 or 5 of 6… get over it.

[Vøøðøø-blackrock (Vøøðøø)]

Again, back to Blizzard trying to make sure they have a smooth launch.

They’re going about it the wrong way.

There’s plenty of ways to ensure a smooth launch that don’t involve changing the game for the worse.

How is if for the worse? The game runs smoother for everyone right out of the gates. the whole layering will be gone soon after launch, any everything will be as it should. It’s literally a system to act as a buffer so everyone gets to play in the pool. Phase 1 layer doesn’t matter by the time the game gets to phase 4 or 5 of 6… get over it.

If you are so certain that this is the case, if layering is not gone soon after launch I expect you to never play an acti-blizz game ever again. Because that’s how serious I am, are you that serious about your statement?

[Mickymoo-black-dragonflight]

On a lighter note:

Fresh hot pretzels, the kind with the big chunks of salt, are absolutely delicious.

Pass the mustard.

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

How is if for the worse?

Phasing in and out randomly during combat, people being able to swap between layers, multiplying the number of people farming resources at any given time, detrimental to world PvP.

The game runs smoother for everyone right out of the gates.

The game will not run any smoother because of layering. Layering just allows more people to play at the same time.

the whole layering will be gone soon after launch

If we’re lucky, yes. It shouldn’t be in the game in the first place.

If I kicked you in the nuts every day for a week straight, would you be thankful I stopped on day 8, or be mad about the entire week you got kicked?

Phase 1 layer doesn’t matter by the time the game gets to phase 4 or 5 of 6… get over it.

Of course phase 1 layering won’t matter by phase 4, 5, or 6.

It will matter in phase 1, though.

[Ravokion-ravenholdt]

If you are so certain that this is the case, if layering is not gone soon after launch I expect you to never play an acti-blizz game ever again. Because that’s how serious I am, are you that serious about your statement?

Only time will tell. If Blizzard and Ion are true in what they say, Layering is intended only for early launch, no longer than phase 1.

I personally won’t walk from the game. I’m sure lots of you seriously serious people who just REEEEEEEEEEEEEALLY cant get past layering will stop though, and go back to your Psevers where you’ll have your progress wiped every time Blizzard shuts down the server.

I can only be as certain in my statements regarding layering being removed by the end of phase 1, from what Blizzard themselves have already said. If you are not willing to take Blizzards word on what they have said about layering, you’re just a troll. of have no faith in blizz and in that case why are you here?

[Cheesecurdz-tichondrius]

It’s not hard to wrap your head around. Shoot, if my tiny monkey brain can do it I’m sure you can too…

Maybe that’s the issue. You can’t compute what the problem is.

What lots of players are worried about isn’t necessarily what you mentioned. But more that blizzard can’t really be trusted on this because if for some reason population doesn’t die then either layers stay, or they open more servers and give transfers. Either of those options suck. That’s my concern and the concern of many.

[Ravokion-ravenholdt]

OK then, so the real problem here isn’t layering, It’s that non of you guys have faith the blizzard will deliver on what they said they are planning.

All the layering problems ppls complain about, are a phase 1 ONLY problem… World pvp is inconsequential until phase 2, where there’s no layering. the only reason the World pvp in phase 1 is for the lawls… in phase 2 where it actually matters for honor, No layering.

But then, the main argument is, Blizz cant be trusted to take layering out, so i’m going to whine more.

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

OK then, so the real problem here isn’t layering,

No, the problem is definitely layering and what it does to the game.

[Ravokion-ravenholdt]

OK then, so the real problem here isn’t layering,

No, the problem is definitely layering and what it does to the game.

I feel bad for how short sighted you are…

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

are a phase 1 ONLY problem

So we’re just saying “screw phase 1, ruin it as much as possible because it’s only 1/6th of the game’s lifecycle”?

Or maybe we should care about phase 1, too?

World pvp is inconsequential until phase 2, where there’s no layering.

It doesn’t have to consequential. People are still going to world PvP before the honor system is introduced.

the only reason the World pvp in phase 1 is for the lawls

And? The whole game is “for the lawls.” It’s for fun, and we’d rather that fun not be ruined.

Just because there’s no PvP ranks doesn’t mean we’re okay with world PvP suffering.

But then, the main argument is, Blizz cant be trusted to take layering out, so i’m going to whine more.

No, the main argument is that layering didn’t exist in vanilla, therefore shouldn’t exist in Classic.

Layering just happens to also be a terrible feature with numerous problems of its own.

There are lots of good changes made to the game throughout its history that, if implemented in Classic, I would still oppose just as strongly.

I feel bad for how short sighted you are…

Compelling argument.

[Rintheda-blackrock]

There is so much wrong with this post it’s hard to know where to begin.

Hay! You leave mom alone! I’ll kick ur butt if you keep sassing her.

Yeah, what a ripoff, but thanks blizz, I get a new monitor instead of paying em.

A $150 monitor is setting sights pretty low.

[Ravokion-ravenholdt]

are a phase 1 ONLY problem

So we’re just saying “screw phase 1, ruin it as much as possible because it’s only 1/6th of the game’s lifecycle”?

Or maybe we should care about phase 1, too?

I don’t see how layering for a short time is going to “ruin it as much as possible” but ok.
I’m not saying screw phase one. but if Blizz holds true. layering should be gone before a LOT of people who are not the min/max’ers hit 60.

But then, the main argument is, Blizz cant be trusted to take layering out, so i’m going to whine more.

No, the main argument is that layering didn’t exist in vanilla, therefore shouldn’t exist in Classic.

Yeah ok so I don’t see a bunch of people up in arms about how game breaking the QOL mail system for classic is going to be, even though it wasn’t in Vanilla like it is in Calssic.
Why cant blizz implement something to make launch run extra smooth, unlike uh… ALL of their other launches. then remove it later once the high volume is gone from launch?

PS. way to be on the huge reply

Edit: definitely messing up the quote system again, my bad sorry guys.

[Fearoftdark-akama]

If you actually do a little reading on it you’ll realize it wont be around long enough to matter.

Says who.

If you say ION hazzicostarica hes the same guy who said flying right now is at a nice middle ground between not having it and getting it at level cap… 1 year later when the Xpac is already dead.

So yeah he ll remove layering… in one year maybe

[Ravokion-ravenholdt]

If you actually do a little reading on it you’ll realize it wont be around long enough to matter.

Says who.

If you say ION hazzicostarica hes the same guy who said flying right now is at a nice middle ground between not having it and getting it at level cap… 1 year later when the Xpac is already dead.

So yeah he ll remove layering… in one year maybe

Chock another one up as #Doesn’tTrustBlizzard

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

I don’t see how layering for a short time is going to “ruin it as much as possible” but ok.

Just using your logic to discredit your argument is all. You’re saying it doesn’t matter that layering is bad because it’s a phase 1 only problem.

By that logic, phase 1 could be as bad as possible because it’s only a phase 1 problem.

I’m not saying screw phase one.

Then please stop dismissing concerns about layering as just a phase 1 problem.

Yeah ok so I don’t see a bunch of people up in arms about how game breaking the QOL mail system for classic is going to be, even though it wasn’t in Vanilla like it is in Calssic.

Because it isn’t game breaking. Layering is.

For what it’s worth, though, I don’t want any changes, including to the mail. That said, I’ll fight the battles that are more important first. Layering is a big deal. The mail system isn’t.

Why cant blizz implement something to make launch run extra smooth, unlike uh… ALL of their other launches.

Because it affects more than just the launch (depending on how long into the game’s lift you consider “the launch”), and it doesn’t make the launch any “smoother” in the first place; it just allows more people to experience that launch at the same time.

Unless “smooth” means no queues, in which case I think that is a silly argument. Smooth, to me, would be no crashes, disconnects, bugs, etc.

To answer your question, though, why can’t they do something to make it smoother? They can. I just don’t want it to be a change to the game. They can do all the back-end changes they want.

Battlenet authentication and verification? Sure, whatever.
Virtual machine server farms? Yeah, fine.
Experimental internet connections? Nifty.

Changing the game, though? No. Stop it.

[Fearoftdark-akama]

I’m sick of being abused by you

LMAO someone give this guy a tissue… he fell off his safe space

[Inalyri-exodar]

Fair warning, you’re engaging with the tin-foil hat, anti-layering troll brigade. It doesn’t matter how clear or reasonable your posts are, you won’t get anywhere with them. They’re not here for rational discussion, they’re here to bash Blizzard and layering, and they are not fully grasping reality.