If you think so, i won’t try to sway your opinion. Personally, i just disagree for reasons i don’t feel are appropriate to go into this thread as there’s already others up that discuss this particular issue!
Although i will say, that nothing is set in stone just yet. If you believe it is, that is fine. But unless you have proof from Blizzard themselves stating this will 100% make it into the game no matter what, there’s still plenty of room for discussion to be had for those who take issue with this new feature in Classic.
DIscussion isnt bad but reworking a system in a little less than 2 months now is probably not as constructive as deal with what we have for a solution. There are clearly solutions that could be used that take some extra programing and testing or things just like early access. Hell releaseing 8.2 on the same day would do just as much to cut down on the people who are using Classic as an escape allowing the people who want to play classic to progress.
In a perfect programming world we wouldnt need layering though.
Layering is necessary.
Layering is great.
We are getting layering. ALL servers.
Build a bridge and get over it, or don’t play.
Thanks, bye.
The interviews are enough to assume, yes. It is guaranteed. If not layering, another form of the same kind of system. Be glad it’s not sharding, because that’s a worse option. Layering is an improvement from that, and about all the players were able to scrape out of Blizzard. Refuting that, at this point, would force a more scuffed system, due to the lack of time to implement it.
It won’t be as bad as some people might be presenting it. And it’s temporary. Only when we have some kind of confirmation that it’s intended to be permanent can we really get upset about it. (Or if the actual implementation ends up tanking. But that’s left for when things are live. The beta seems fine thus far. A couple issues here and there, but it’s the Beta. That’s what they’re for. Weeding those out.)
I think that’s the problem is that a lot of people are forgetting it’s a beta.
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I understand you are very convinced about it’s stay, but i can’t take an interview where they present their ideas to us, basically making themselves open to critique/feedback about their decision, as a guarantee that they will stick to this no matter what we’ll say here.
Depending on what they agree or disagree with from all the feedback, they either will put in certain changes to the system (which i’ve also talked about before in other threads, btw) or they remove it altogether and do BFA a favor and put it in there instead.
I don’t settle for less if i don’t absolutely need to. Layering in Classic to me means settling for less. Right now, i don’t absolutely need to lower my standards.
In fact, until this thing is in the live game, i’ll continue looking into it and bring up reasons as to why this system isn’t appropriate for Classic, because from my estimations given what we know, and experience with Blizzards WoW’s since TBC, i arrive at a point where i can see it’s not worth to use it at all, and in fact could lead to some big, unnecessary (extra) problems.
Worry not though, chances are they will still go with layering in one form or another. You clearly care about it that they do - as you try to convince me that layering is necessary. I do see your viewpoints as well, and they’re perfectly valid too. Yet i’m afraid i have to disagree.
What’s worse… Layering for what we can only assume is temporary right now. Or server instability and possible empty servers after a similar timeframe?
Refuting layering to the teeth is settling for less, because you’d risk being completely unable to play, deal with hour+ queues, and inevitable crashes early on… to maybe not seeing every single person in each specific location in the world.(You can invite friends into group and you will be put in the same layer, so you can get around a lot of layering. You can’t magically skip a queue, or bring a server up from a crash)
This is all I mean. Layering is bad. 100%. If it’s NOT necessary, then it shouldn’t be in. But with the sudden influx of popularity with Classic, but the understanding that a solid portion of players will abandon it, Layering is the necessary safety net to avoid much worse situations afterward.
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They already promised – even using the word “promise” – that it’s not staying turned on once Phase 2 rolls around. They didn’t even use lawyer speak to leave themselves an opening.
Go back to your illegal private servers if your paranoia is this strong and irrational.
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I think you’re wrong.
First off, have you ever played on a roleplay server? It’s not what most people think. Secondly, this game is at it’s worst state ever. Ever. I’ve been playing this on and off for quite some time. BC launched, millions of players online, no layering. WotLK launched, millions of players online, no layering. So what’s changed now that wasn’t around during the prime sub times? Aside from oh, about a ten million less playerbase?
Think about it.
I guess they can RP that there exists a dimensional warp that randomly gobbles up people and that there is a special log out ability everyone has that can make them re-appear.
I’m posting on a character from Moonguard, and also have several WRA characters. So yes.
The decline started in late WotLK. Most attribute it to things like Dungeon Finder, and the progressive implementation of aspects the killed community. As time passed, we got to the point where we have CRZ(Which won’t be in Classic - just BGs, which has much less bearing), Group Finder, LFR/dungeon finder, easy open world content, solo focused story quests(that often break RP immersion), and sharding. The list likely goes on, but I don’t want to spend more than a few moments on outlining the issues.
The difference between then and now is not simply layering(Sharding in live, which is a different system with a lot more bugs and issues). We have dwindling communities in some cases, that even the RP servers struggle to keep together (With the ability to either CRZ elsewhere, or hide away with cliques). Out of however many RP servers there are, Moonguard and WRA seem to be the only two with any sense of thriving community(Check me on this, cause I’m not 100% on that). And that’s mostly due to the retained playerbase. Earthen Ring, for example, is nigh on dead.
To make this come back to current: Layering is what will keep community, in the more closed community atmosphere of Classic, ensuring no server dies, and that it cannot also be flooded(without layering) and crash. Not to mention the easy of early gameplay so that you’re not stuck at level 5 for 5 hours cause you can’t get any mob tags. Classic will also be releasing with fewer overall servers, thus why Layering is the option, rather than just making more servers and letting some die. That’s the point of this. Yes, it saves Acti-Blizz money (Consider that they still had to cover the cost of the tech being developed), but it does save a fair portion of the players from having to pay into a transfer later to get to a ‘non-dead’ server.
The timeframe that Layering will exist is little more than your early play, where you probably won’t be RPing much outside of your groups/friends/guilds anyway, which is remedied by … well, grouping up.
Trust me. I thought about it. Originally, I thought it was a stupid idea. But as a temporary means, I understand it. I don’t want it, of course, but I see that it mitigates other more serious problems down the line.
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You lost me right there, I have no clue which decline you are referring to, but if it’s the playerbase, subscription numbers, etc. You are way off base.
I’m not sure you know exactly what you’re talking about.
Again, have you ever played on a roleplay server? I don’t what your toon says that you are posting on this ridiculous forums with.
Simple solution.
No RP realms at launch. Wait 6+ months before evaluating if there will be RP realms at all.
What? You don’t like the idea if Blizzard ignoring RP? Maybe stop ignoring Blizzard’s need for layering then.
Most of the players who roleplayed have already left this horrible community and bugged up game as it is. The ones who remain typically don’t care in the end. They roleplayed before the masses of morons, and they will continue to roleplay after they have phased out and gone.
Again, I support the OP on this one. Sorry to have such a different opinion then the vast majority of want-to-be-programmer/game developers that cry out on these forums.
The data’s there, my guy. I can’t post the link on forums (dunno what lets me start doing that, but yeah). Subs peaked in the early half of Wrath, and started to dip, never reaching that again. Thus the decline started there.
Unless you’re implying they don’t, I’d like to see you suggest something otherwise. You took two snips of what I said, basically responded with “LUL no” and didn’t back anything up. I gave reasons behind what I’ve been talking about. Try to engage in the conversation instead of plugging your ears and shouting “no no no no.”
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Well, see there in lies the problem. I didn’t quote you to begin with, replied to the OP showed some support and had no intention of joining the debate club. Which is all these stupid forums are nowadays, nothing more than a toxic group of want-be-game developers and programmers who are almost all (most likely) highly intelligent unemployed patrons.
That being said, I don’t need a wall of text to engage with your stupid response, aside from;
- No. You are wrong. Wtf are you talking about?
Nope. But my reply was to your quotes. Keep up here.
Your conduct is much more toxic that me trying to express that layering isn’t as bad as people are making it out to be. I’ve made no attempts to show I’m some ‘developer’ or ‘programmer’. I’m a player, and consumer of the game, offering a peer opinion.
So… you have nothing to back you up, and refuse to even try? I can only take that as you’re wrong (Considering I’ve shown backing to my points), or that your trolling. In either case, unless you give some real feedback or sound points, you may as well be typing gibberish. In fact… gibberish would be better than the current slew of insulting you’ve opted for instead.
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If someone thinks their RP will be ruined in a fantasy game by layering, then their RP skills are lacking.
I’ll just put this here.
/dontfeedthepigeons
WoD says hi.