Wait a Tauren DH sounds INSANELY sick…like actually one of the most visually bad*ss character concepts
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I think you can see them in the Highmountain zone. HMT DHs anyways. Fel antlers and tattoos.
But don’t quote me on that. My memory might be off.
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It’s just going to look terrible when you’re playing it then turn into a blood elf when you pop meta that is hardly bigger than your base Tauren form
Like it’s one of the reasons i can’t use different color tattoos or hair color on my demon hunter cause i hate how it changes when you pop meta… to think they’ll create unique assets and meta forms for every race is a pure pipe dream
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Yes, that will look terrible. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that they do something about that.
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Only thing that makes me think they won’t is the fact they don’t even adjust hair color or tattoo color or even horn shape for the demon hunters we have now… they’ve already put so little effort into meta
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You’re probably right. They do love to “monkey paw” people’s wishes.
Salt and rage of side is this really such a bad thing? Like races aren’t hiveminds And everyone can make their own decisions. It’s true in D&D, it’s true in Tamriel, And it’s gonna be true here.
Also, seriously what the fel is everybody’s problem with drow not being an exclusively evil race anymore? Oh no the entire race isn’t just a hivemind all blindly loyal to their evil spider goddess to a fault, and they have individuals within their ranks that can make their own choices! Oooooooh noooooooooooooooooooooowhat ever.
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Yeah but the forums were like “muh forsaken paladins” and now we’re here.
With light forged draenei freaking warlocks.
And while we don’t have forsaken paladins yet, they’re coming. Because it makes so much sense to make an undead into an anti-undead class. 
And undead priests wielding the Light make sense? What kind of crackerjack argument is this?
Death isnt the opposite of the light.
Shadow is, The opposite of Death is Life.
Because gameplay.
You can’t have undead shadowpriests and just “disable” a spec.
Besides, unlike paladins, priests don’t imbue themselves with the light, they just use it.
You know what? Your name says it all. There’s an undead IN LORE that uses the Light. So your actual arguement is invalid here, and because you know exactly nothing where it’s concerned I’m just gonna put you right where OP is for their idiocracy, on my ignore list.
Yeah Death isnt the opposite of Light.
I remember early lore stating forsaken wielding the light harmed them. Im sure it has been retconned somewhere. Now they have furtherd defined necromancy that pretty much every branch can wield necromancy magic in their own rite. They just need to adjust the forsaken lore to not just be Lordaeron citizen since they were raised by death magic
Races are pretty much cosmetic so why not open all classes for everyone.
I guess that would be fine.
I recall a statement from Blizzard a very long time ago that a class within a race needs appropriately strong representation and integration. My argument builds on that. If you do that with the Kaldorei and Warlocks, for example, you make their whole lore absurd.
If they move away from that, it could work. Sure, it still doesn’t make sense in terms of acceptance, but a Night Elf Warlock can exist ofc.
However, this argument does not apply to stuff like void elf paladins.
I would also like to point out that it is definitely an _MMO_RPG and not a single-player RPG. Your character not only contributes to your own immersion, but also that of other people.
Draenei lore as we know it today didn’t exist before bc. In the Warcraft universe, the Silver Hand were the first paladins we encountered.
I thought you meant that it becomes a part of gnomish culture, which would be wierd (even if it’s not primarily)
In my answer, I was refering to the archetype, the “original”. Like it or not, that’s the silver hand (see also legion order hall). Everything else was created afterwards and they always had to come up with something new because the image of the light-faithful, honourable knight who fights evil and protect the innocent didn’t fit with the horde. Nevertheless, the original archetype overshadows everything. The spells, the quests, the armour, nearly every kind of visualisation.
Look it up here. The Sun Walkers use solar magic (like druids). They praise An’she, the “sun god” (sun = solar) mostly because they want to balance the night elf focus on moon worship.
Solar magic is nature, not holy. Of course, they’re not real druids, but that’s just a funky way to refer to this because they’re using the same magic as druids.
Define Paladin then.
See above, part about original paladins in warcraft etc.
So unless I misunderstood the novel about Arthas, you have to have a strong conviction that you are great and righteous in your ways and believes, otherwise you can’t cast the light. Arthas knew that what he was doing was wrong, or at least he kept doubting it was right, so his abilities faded away.
The Scarlets were strong in the light because they thought they were great and righteous. What I’m getting at is that it’s not evil actions per se that matter but your point of view on them.
But I don’t see how that’s supposed to work with the Forsaken. They’re not “evil and think they’re good”, they’re evil and proud of it.
Fair enough. It’s not like I’m a fan of orc or demon paladins either.
Why do you always bring that up? I never said that.
Warcraft is way more restrictive than dnd.
When I think of paladin in WoW I think human holy crusader. Not troll, nor undead. Letting every race be every class is dumb.
How does this work if I level a Paladin and don’t intend to leave The Wandering Isle on it?
No they don’t and I know that link. There is nothing in that link they says they use solar magic. Matter of fact, it says they use the Light. Second paragraph of that link:
”These paladins exist along side the Seers, tauren Priests led by Sagewind, who also rediscovered the use of the Light through the power of An’she.”
Holy warrior that wields the Light.
You didn’t say “original,” you said “true.” Humans are not the only true paladins.
Again, no. You can’t slaughter entire villages of people and be racist and still believe you’re “good.”
Being racist to the point that all other races not human are “unclean” has nothing to do with fighting the undead.
Also, IIRC, the Arthas book is old. Just like WC3 is old. The lore from both has been either changed or retcon’d. Like paladins being immune to disease. That was retcon’d along time ago, during Wrath I believe.
Because paladins being able to wield the Light if they’re good is an old D&D concept. WoW moved away from that concept along time ago.
Don Adams on Twitter: “No, they use solar magic. More comparable to the solar magic used by druids.”
I was refering to this, source 25. But the original questioner seems to have deleted his account, so this is no longer comprehensible. I assume that it just makes sense because solar magic exists and they worship the sun. But it could also have referred to the Arrakoa. The citation on the page seems a bit skewed.
Check this out. It’s a bit more, isn’t it?
It’s the same for me since the other paladins have a completly different lore. But let’s not get too wordy.
Ha, you’d be surprised! Fanatics are sick psychopaths. I would also give a few real life examples, but I’m sure you can imagine them by yourself.
Well, I didn’t get that from DnD. It was canon in Warcraft for a very long time, too. And I’m criticising the changes, yes. That’s my whole point. We are moving further and further away from archetype, loosening and retconning the lore just to make it accessible to everyone.
What are you referring to with the retcon to the diseases? As far as I know, the crusader in Icecrown wasn’t a Paladin.
Like I said, I know where it came from, but it was nothing more than a rumor/head canon because they never followed through. Every thing else they have done with Sunwalkers, including Dezco’s story, says they use the Light.
They’re not druids. They don’t use nature magic.
Pretty damn specific.
I don’t see the difference.
Yeah “original” and “true” don’t mean the same thing. That’s not being “wordy”, that’s speaking English.
Yeah and they’re evil.
Not really. The Scarlet Crusade was around in vanilla. Sir Zeliek was around in vanilla. WoW stopped following the traditional “you have to be good/alive to wield the Light” 20 years ago.
Well, you’re wrong. Again.
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