Both.
I guess this could make sense if Blood Elves never began being homies with the Forsaken in their initial quest chain, or if Death Knights never joined the ranks of each faction. Guess Paladin stopped being this in 2006.
I don’t think so. The cultural explanation still exists in how each race wields certain magics, but it’s still the same magic that everything has access to.
Personally, I think the Forsaken in general just feel out of place with a lot of the magic-wielding classes. But the power of a Paladin comes from their faith and devotion to something, just like in D&D. I’d say all it’s missing is an Oathbreaker, but that’s pretty much what Death Knights are.
Either way, I don’t feel having say, a gnome druid, detracts from Night Elf lore any more than a Troll Druid did. If it suddenly became the gnome culture, that’d be super weird and jarring, but a few independent characters isn’t the same thing. They’re still profoundly going to be about tinkering.
So, yeah, they’re going to be outcasts. It’s going to be us, the player, the person who goes to distant worlds to fight extraplanar threats, who has the option to step outside of our cultural limitations. We’re the people who not only see the world, we see worlds (plural). It makes sense from this PoV to remove such restrictions.
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Not anymore. Alonsus Faol is a Holy Priest.
No, this isn’t D&D.
There was a huge order of 100% evil paladins and they’re called the Scarlet Crusade. WoW has much different rules and the rules of this universe says the Light will work for the evil.
Paladins, both Draenei and Human, were created to fight demons and orcs, not the undead.
Again, this isn’t D&D dude.
Blood Elf Paladins were Blood Knights. A Blood Knight is lorewise no Paladin.
Tauren paladins are druids.
Zandalari Paladins are something with Rezan.
Yet there is no Death Knight Paladin.
And in Legion, death knights and paladins were at each other’s throats.
I think that’s exactly what will happen and that’s why I think that this is not a good idea.
But if not, I guess it would be fine.
Except for the Undead + nature/holy magic. They are somehow a special case.
I was referring to the masses.
Faol has been neutral so far.
But I don’t understand how Faol fits in with the Forsaken (as faction). It would kinda make sense if the Forsaken with Caila suddenly become the good guys, but that brings me back to the point that they lose their identity because of the class mix.
Knights of the Silver Hand?
the only true paladins in the lore.
The Scarlet Crusade believed itself in the right the whole time and their main goal was to kill every undead and purge everything which they consider evil. So “evil” itself here depends very much on the point of view.
The Forsaken are deliberately malicious. But if you have a good explanation for them i’m listening.
Almost right. The first paladins were a response to the Horde’s death knights during the second war.
But yes, the undead were mainly added later because the light is so effective against them. Yet there are huge plots around paladins vs the undead. just think of classic lordaeron or wotlk northrend.
He’s listed as a disc priest, which makes me wonder if the page isn’t up to date or if disc priests have some sort of thematic meaning that I just don’t understand.
I don’t think that it would make sense.
Assuming that every single Forsaken had a coming to Jesus moment, we’re still unable to reproduce, have no assets or wealth, are spurned by many of the races and have substantially diminished numbers to the point of extinction.
What’s more realistic is that Forsaken become hermits, once again, and either slowly die off or find a way to make more Forsaken via Necromancy or light hand wavy stuff that the writers come up with.
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They have already laid the groundwork for that with Calia, and more specifically the bit where she goes to and talks to the Necrolords in Shadowlands.
Per that, where the source of the power comes from doesn’t matter, any magic that makes someone undead is necromancy (the necromancy and necromancy often made fun of). So a light, or nature, or what have you method raising further Forsaken could potentially occur (of course not saying it will, but could)
The game finished? It’s getting reboot by Amazon.
As for Warhammer that’s fair, EA got the rights to star wars and jumped ship
Never said wow is dying.
Also ignoring the Riot MMO is just bad, looking at the timing they probably have World of Warcraft Midnight to fight the launch of the Riot mmo
oh wow! I had not heard about this, when is it supposed to happen?
Not soon enough.
While I get that some combos may feel a little “off”, there are always exceptions or rebels to the rule, which makes a ton of room for great storytelling. And so instead of saying there are no more interesting stories to tell, I think that opens us up to all kinds of interesting story opportunities to explain how these exceptions came to be, or what led a character down a traditionally unavailable path. This is a MMORPG after all.
One could also argue that having abc races only able to be xyz classes with no deviation is also boring and superficial. And somewhat unrealistic. All of the playable races in Azeroth mingle and group up and form clans, friendships, and adventuring teams. They live among each other in towns and capitol cities. It’s unrealistic to think that after all this time, we wouldn’t see deviations.
The idea of everyone in neat, tidy little boxes until someone realizes there’s more to life than their tidy little box so they break free and explore what else is out there and go through life-changing events to discover who they were really meant to be is a popular theme in countless stories, and can totally work in WoW if Blizz does it well. (I realize that’s a big “if” though.)
I see a lot of people protesting “but in D&D…” This just isn’t D&D, and Blizzard is free to create and evolve their racelore and story as they see fit. The good news is that people who want to base their WoW character on D&D in their head for lore reasons still can do so. (The benefit being all races all classes allows everyone to RP their character their way, too.)
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Druid is the ranged tank. Spam moonfire FTW while running around in circles.
They are all wielders of the light though. Lore-wise, I believe the first paladins were actually Draenei serving the Naaru in the Golden Army/Army of the Light. I know the Silver Hand was a big deal in WC 2 and 3, but they’ haven’t been the only type of paladin in WoW for the bulk of the game’s life.
You think gnome in-game culture is going to become primarily druidic? That’s a silly concern. lol.
I’m really curious what makes you say that, because it isn’t true.
I never understood the reasons to the race/class restrictions in this game. There was a time when paladins were alliance only and shaman horde only. It was stupid and they recognized this error by changing this mindset in the very first expansion. Of coarse the races have their traditions, but is it really believable for every single member of that race to agree and follow tradition? Come on. Not all sheep even follow their own herd (hence the term “black sheep.”)
Just open races and classes to everyone and let players play what they want. If that upsets someone’s sensibilities, classic WOW is there for you.
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Faction restricted classes are great imagine if they kept it we’d have things like Shadow Hunter, Warden, Dark Ranger and Guardian.
No they are not. There is nothing in lore that says they are druids and I would love for you to find me a source for this head canon.
I know where the rumor came from so I’m not talking about that. I’m talking concrete lore that says Sunwalkers are druids.
Btw, tauren already have an order of druids.
No, they’re paladins. They’re all paladins.
False.
Doesn’t matter what their intentions are. They killed the family of people turned Scourge just in case they might think of helping them. They also murdered entire villages they deemed corrupted, whether they were or not. That’s not believing what they’re doing is right, that’s down right 100% pure evil.
Also, they were racist. What does that have to do with believing you’re right fighting the Scourge?
No, I’m right and you even confirmed it. I never said they didn’t fight the undead, I said paladins were created to fight demons and orcs first.
Because this is WoW and not D&D. I think if more people accepted this then they wouldn’t have so many issues with the race/class combos available to us.
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Don’t really have to imagine, most of those are coming in TWW. I think your imagination would be great for a single-player game, but it doesn’t feel good for a lot of people in a MMO space. I mean, look how lousy it feels to be limited with Evoker. You have to play a stupid-looking lizard thing.
But nothing’s stopping you from downloading TRP3 and RPing whatever you want. Form a circle, limit races and classes in that circle or whatever. Because that’s what you want. You just think it’d be better if everyone was forced into your RP rules. I don’t want to be in that circle.
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A dark Ranger class is a lot more than hero talents doing nothing but buffing wind arrows and wailing arrow.
The class fantasy of a dark Ranger could easily be two specs.
Literally who CARES though. There is no difference if there is a random NPC with flavor text about how Night Elf paladins learn from Elune versus if there isn’t one, at the end of the day we as players are smart and can head canon whatever want. We all know Nelf Paladins draw from Elune. We don’t need a random side quest to tell us that. We just want the class option in game already, because the point of the game is to PLAY it.
This complaint is genuinely so zzz
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I get where the OP is coming from because I used to be the same way. I liked race/class restrictions because it guaranteed the game wouldn’t be 90% humans and elves. However, that ship has sailed. Blizzard ruled against people that thought this way so now it’s as the old saying goes: if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.
I’m looking forward to my tauren/HMT DH. Seriously, there’s nothing to be done about it now. Might as well enjoy it.
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