Lack of Male leaders in WoW

Fair. I did kinda speed read the list :rofl:

For all his faults, Afrasiabi was involved in the best quests and story arcs written in WoW so far, especially together with Metzen.

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I’m baffled by this insistence that writers of the past weren’t just as influenced by prevailing market biases and the prejudices of the time as current writers are.

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Which is a mostly white summer movie trope.

am I a terrible person for feeling that if they’re going to make the stoner stereotype character black, since they’re going to piss off somebody no matter what, they should just go all in, have him played by Snoop Dogg and openly light up on-screen? The actual mysteries might suffer though, since he would just shoot the monsters.

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On paper yes, only because Thrall doesn’t want to the job, Saurfang is dead and the next in line is Eitrigg. But if the Orcs do have a interim leader it’s Eitrigg and he’s male.

It’s pretty much impossible to write a character that doesn’t stumble into one stereotype or another, especially a character as… broad as a member of the Scooby Gang has to be to actually, you know, work.

It’s usually preferred to keep the character from having no facets outside that stereotype… doubly so if the stereotype in question is negative.

No, you are not a terrible person, if Trolls are supposed to be afro-caribbean they should go all in and justify troll Rastafarianism with proper world building.

I like the X-Men argument… the person was clearly speaking about the show, not the comics. The comics already had a very diverse cast by the 90s, anyone who actually read them knows that much. The TV show was as popular as it was because it was the first of its kind at the time (not counting the ancient shows from the 70s), and if we’re going off ‘diversity’ as number of women in the cast, it was pretty on par.

Also X-Men comics sell better now than they did in the 90s, the 90s nearly saw Marvel go bankrupt and they were only saved by selling off their character rights to film companies.

Media has by and large always been inclusive, relative to the time it was made. I swear if you made something like WC3 in today’s day and age people would mald because Jaina is a powerful mage.

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Still more of an alliance than the faction called the “alliance;” which is actually a empire with an established, ‘diverse’ trend of only allowing white human male leaders to call the shots.

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Horde Council, we are 2 legit.

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#Kaldorexit

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He was & is a despicable person, but at least the ‘man’ - if you’d call him that - could write/design decently.

I do miss Metzen though

When he wasn’t busy letting assaults on female employees and beer crawls go unpunished

Dudes a garbage human being. And he tainted everything we love about WoW

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What comparison? They aren’t even remotely similar?

Female leads… :roll_eyes: thats all thats important right? Nevermind Jean/Phoenix, outclassing pretty much all her male counterparts

Indeed, it’s quite the conformist mentality. You have an opinion to the contrary of theirs? Well now, you must be an ‘IST-O-PHOBE’!

Accept their opinions (with holes in their arguments like swiss cheese), or be branded wrongfully, as heinous.

People these days.

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While still being heavily sexualized and reduced to a satellite love interest, don’t forget about that. You are talking to a Jean/Pheonix stan.

I’m sure you won’t, because instead of focusing on her overwhelming power, you’d rather focus on her love story to prop up your argument.

I’m sure Tyrande in your eyes was nothing more than Malfurions arm candy too right…

Yeah talking with you is rather pointless, its clear where your mind is at and what points you want to push.

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I suppose we’re also gonna ignore that STORM is described as one of the most powerful mutants on the team :dragon:

But some apparently think being a lead is all that matters :rofl:

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Or rogue with literal death powers…

Its easy to ignore stuff like that when trying to cherry pick for ones argument though I suppose

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nope, that’s where you have me all wrong.

Jean Grey in the 1960’s was your typical love interest/damsel in distress. When she becomes the Pheonix, she’s given a extreemely sexualized outfit as Cyclops’s arm candy and the Title of the comic is “Pheonix must die!” After pulling a planatary genocide stunt, In Dark Pheonix she regains control of herself and sacrifices herself for the greater good, with Cyclops holding her dead body in anguish.

https://www.previewsworld.com/SiteImage/MainImage/STL155147.jpg

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/6129-DE3ctL.jpg

I am saying that the comics themselves focused on her being arm candy and and did not focus on her overwhelming power. That’s the problem. You should really read the source material. Her being arm candy was always more important than her being portrayed as powerful in the beginning, only much later adaptions was she actually shown as powerful on her own terms.