I find myself wondering if alliance players in normal AV are comparable to alliance players in Korrak AV. I haven’t played in regular AV since Cata, so I genuinely don’t know. I don’t even know what the difference is between the two battlegrounds.
But I, like many people, just spent the last few weeks running Korrak to level alts. And I have to tell you that, on alliance side, the experience has been painful and continues to be.
On horde side, I banged out seven 110-120’s in no time. Win after win. Maximum XP because of the wins. Little drama, little negativity.
On alliance side, it’s been a very different story. It’s been slow going with my characters. Even with quicker queues, it’s been loss after loss. Absolutely poisonous attitudes and comments. Massive afk problems. Players just prancing around doing quests and mines, completely ignoring the fact that others are trying to win for maximum xp. You know, the reason we’re all in there in the first place? People just scattered all over the place and no one working together.
And if you try and call out anyone on their behaviors or lack of participation, you get pounded on mercilessly. For wanting to win in a team game where the victory benefits everyone.
Is it like this in normal AV?
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Based on my recent experiences vs experiences of about a month ago, Alliance has stopped trying to play Korrak correctly and now try to play it like current AV. This doesn’t work of course.
They almost all run to the Horde base, a few stop briefly to grab Tower Point, and one or two poor sods actually try to get Iceblood Tower and get badtouch’d by the Frostwolf Explosives Expert and/or Commander Dardosh.
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yes they are comparable, they think they can just run by everything and auto win
Alliance players like horde in current have to actually play AV to win…
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What I am generally seeing, is alliance players generally sticking together until IBGY. Sometimes the whole group will stay there and kill all of the NPC‘s. Sometimes the whole group will run on by it, at least in recent weeks, and leave a few stragglers behind to deal with Stronghoof. I know when this happens that it’s going to be a loss.
But after the NPC‘s are killed and that graveyard is assaulted, the group splits up to ibt and tp. And this seems to be where the failure always begins. It seems after this point the group scatters and never seems to come back together again until it’s too late. Literally game after game.
In my last few games, we’ve barely entered the horde base by the time they kill Van. It’s pretty sad.
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Korrack is different from normal AV cause it’s a lot harder to win by leaving towers up.
I’ve been leveling some horde alts as well and I honestly think I’ve won at least 9/10 of the korracks, if not more. It’s shocking how bad the alliance seems to be in korracks. I’ve tried leveling my worgen hunter in korracks a few times and it’s just not worth it IMO. Sticking to horde alts for now.
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And I completely understand why you feel that way.
I’ve said, in a bunch of games now, that I’m not insensitive to the faction imbalance issue. I tell them that I WANT to play on alliance side.
But they aren’t making it easy for me.
back in 2011 when i used to actually pvp with this character, AV was usually a gimme for Alliance along with Isle of Conquest, especially during the daytime hours (9am-5pm) when Tol Barad was usually 5 alliance vs 1 horde.
Korrak AV didn’t seem that different to my druid alt that did 6 battles for the mount. Horde won all of them, and outside of prime time hours it was alliance doing the bridge turtle
Do you know what the specific differences are between the two? I did a little Google search and I couldn’t find a definitive answer as to what was actually different or changed for Korrak.
Whether I play retail or classic, battlegrounds are mostly horde only wins lol. Not sure why people even try to be alliance anymore with the bg rates, kudos. I suppose for the bravery.
I think gear and scaling is part of it.
When BfA first launched, it was pretty tough to kill drek with towers up. Once people started to get geared it was no longer an issue.
When your leveling in korracks, most people have that 5-6k Health from the templates. Unless you get some geared people in there (less likely during leveling), it’s a lot tougher to take drek down. He can one shot tanks with a tower or 2 up. (120s have a separate korracks queue from leveling and I don’t know what it’s like in there).
There’s also way more npcs in korracks which slows everything down.
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I can’t deal with that. I leave every game where alliance starts doing that. It’s just not time-effective with this event drawing to a close soon.
Yep. I wonder if it’s because most of the alliance who know how to have a chance at winning are done leveling their alts. TBF I played a game on horde side where the team was so clueless I wondered if they were actually alliance attempting to level horde alts. 
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Curious, what time of the day do you play? I have a lot of max level characters on both sides, and I find alliance to be much better at night.
There is quite a bit of difference between the 2 AVs, one of the biggest ones, is the starting cave for Horde is moved way up. Horde routinely gets to SHB before alliance even starts to cross mid. If played perfectly in a race, horde will always win due to this, they can just cap bunkers faster than ally can cap towers. The only way for alliance to win, is to recap if horde doesn’t.
The other thing that is very different, is that all of the exploits into the horde base have been fixed on live. The Korrak AV has 3 different points you can get into the base via, one of them at the very back, making it very easy to early cap both the towers and the GY.
If Alliance uses the cheese/exploits, they actually can win pretty easily.
If you do play during the day all the time, try it after 9pm at some point, and see if your experience is different.
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I ran 3 Korrak’s on Alli this evening and we won 1, almost won 1, and totally lost the other.
If the Alliance push south and don’t get hung up killing elites then they do ok, if they bunch up around elites pinata style they tend to get stuck there for a long time lol.
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Not sure if horde run premades for Korrak’s, but alliance do. So yeah, alliance can do fine if they happen to land in with a partial alliance premade whose members understand and push the primary objectives for winning. Winning typically requires killing most of the NPCs. Period.
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I had a really awesome one last night on Alliance side, it lasted a good 90 minutes with a good back and forth. They kept trying to take the GY in front of the base, but couldn’t quite manage it on multiple occasions. We finally won when their last push actually succeeded, but our side was already deep in Drek. I managed to take top spot in DPS and kills on my Velf Huntard alt.
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Horde gets to the Alliance’s base far quciker than vice versa
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Alliance has a multi-mile gauntlet to run through while the Horde has a leisurely stroll through some bridges with no guards.
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Alliance has to fight uphill with towers and fifty guards/players attacking them. Meanwhile Horde can stroll into a DWARF SETTLEMENT that is completely open with zero chokeholds.
The whole battleground is a fat mess.
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I actually play at two times of the day. I work third shift, so I play a couple matches in the morning when I get home. Then I play matches later in the evening before I go to work.
My experiences, as I’ve described, have been pretty consistent. Of course there was the occasional decisive win. But that was only when horde was being utterly bad and turtling fwgy or something.
Also, I had no idea that the horde starting cave had ever been moved in any version of that bg. That’s a pretty fundamental change.
You could be correct in using the term “most”. But certainly not all. It’s been my experience that alliance spends far too much time on them.
As a rogue, I can go to TP and capture that absolutely solo so the main group can keep pressing south. But I can never convince my team to let me do that. But I have, in the past, totally run up that tower, sapped Phillips, assaulted the thing, and just sat there solo while others ran south. It’s actually amusing to see Phillips standing there in his burning tower when I leave.
Freeze trapping and sheeping certain elites just to keep them out of the way so the people can move on to the important objective is something that doesn’t happen often enough in my opinion.
You have to zerg to win which alliance doesn’t. Nearly the entire raid sits in their base for unknown reasons. If 3/4 of the team rushes and the rest stays to defend, alliance wins easily. One prot warrior and a handful of other dps can have a very long last stand at their base because of the bridge, giving their team the time they need to get a head start on drek