Some people just love to hide in mud huts and some elite orcs just stay as far away as they can.
Would a dirty human scum be caught in a mud hut?
I would hope not.
No they aren’t and yes you can single pull Vann.
“Blizzard please nerf players. They are learning. This was not my vanilla experience.”
That is a matter of opinion, only.
Yes 80 90 percent of the player base hated it.
Then there were those of us who loved the challenge of trying to do something that was akin to an AQ40 in PVP mode.
Majorities dont always pick what is actually best, the entire world is proof of that.
And you assume i dont know this why exactly?
No one wants to see me write a 192 page wall of text documenting each change and what it would effect etc.
You want that, post your email address and i will send it to you
though i doubt even you are interested in reading that
No, I get it just fine. Simple fact of the matter is, the changes to AV seen throughout vanilla do not account for such vast difference in game duration.
The differences are far more reasonably accounted for by the differences in the playerbase. People have some serious nostalgia-goggles when it comes to the old AV. I’m not saying it wasn’t harder; it obviously was. The patch notes prove that it was. However, it wasn’t so hard that it’d take a coordinated premade of people in BiS gear 3 days to reach Drek.
And the easy answer is just offer both versions of AV.
I have yet to hear a valid reason not to, everyone would win.
Great, let’s have both versions of AV.
1.12 AV has flaws but 1.5 AV also massively sucked. Do yo understand that?
going to stop you right here, it was an issue back in Vanilla, they had broken leashing, its not kiting its abusing a known exploit. nobody cares what you alliance exploit abusers want to spin it as its abusing an exploit and as such needs to be fixed, and those who abuse it need to be banned.
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it was hard, imagine kind of trying to run through a zone of AQish mobs (while you are in 1.05 form, which we were not exactly terribly good in)
while 40 other humans are screwing everything up for you. -
Imagine the BG has a crazy amount of NPC warriors on each side
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imagine that most of the playerbase hates the thing, because it’s too
hard, takes too long, etc.
Permades were easy (since it was not Xrealm) the hard part is getting 40 guys that actually want to do it. -
And add in that lack of accomplished objectives made the whole thing harder, you did not capture this? guess who gets to stay buffed up.
I mean it was purposely made that way, i saw nothing wrong with it myself, it was not just a BG per se, it was a raid in its own right, one that was PVP with someone else wanting to complete it from the other end.
And again, there is another group of humans in the raid for whom half their purpose in being there is to screw up all chances of you winning.
And they did not necessarily have to only attack you directly to accomplish it.
As for BIS gear, look back at what BIS gear was in that time.
Our toons were geared like crap, we were optimized and balanced like, well we simply were not any of those at all.
Heck this druid i have now, i know he is a god compared to what he would have been then.
He is resto, in resto gear, POOF into bear, look Ma, i’m battling 3 mobs 3 and 4 levels above me. (yes i pop several heals in the process)
Back then, i’d be laying face down in the dirt, with my staff shoved up my butt, sideways.
We got elevated to godlings, the mobs got squished
Have you ever wondered why the pallies are doing this in AV? The reason they are doing it IS TO GAIN AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE AGAINST THE HORDE WHILE IGNORING OBJECTIVES LINKED TO THE VERY NPCS THEY ARE KITING! Is that clear enough for you? It is an exploit. It needs to be punished and fixed.
Horde killed van, have you ever wondered why they did this?
No it wasn’t to win the game, it was for an unfair advantage over the other team.
Ban them all for exploiting the game.
Play the game the way I want you to play the game!! Waaah waaah, I cant lose it’s not fair and it should be fixed.
You’re ignoring facts because you know you lost this argument about 3 replies into my other thread about this. In the VERY few AVs I did win today, the horde did not once exploit or bug pull any marshal. We did the objectives until only Van remained and then we downed Van. Alliance on the other hand have the world’s biggest montage of paladins pulling the warmasters to the waterfall after they completely ignored the objectives to despawn them and ending the game in 7 minutes. Are you starting to see the difference now? You’re entitled to your own opinion but you are most certainly not entitled to your own set of facts. So get the facts straight before you waste more time posting about this.
Go make another thread, forums needs more spam.
The marshals/war masters do not have a leash to the boss and building and are free to be kited.
Take the L, get better or make another thread.
And you’re doing it again… The WAY they are being kited is an exploit and again the objectives (towers that spawn and despawn them) are completely ignored which is SUPPOSED to give the horde the advantage because the objectives were not done. Likewise for the alliance if done by the horde. Do you understand it this time or do I need to explain it again with your next git gud post? Look I know the honor farm for the alliance right now is really good but don’t be in denial of the truth that is clear at this point.
That’s retail av, it’s why the marshals/war masters can be kited out and killed.
You don’t have to kill a tower to get rid of one.
This version you can kite them and you can tank them and also kill them.
It’s not an exploit, you just don’t like it.
The reason they made that change was not for any game balance reason but to remove a potential denial of service attack vector. The issues caused by honorspy showed Blizzard (and anyone else who knew what was going on) that allowing addons to send messages to a global channel could essentially kill a chat server, making the game almost unplayable for any sort of group content. The addon maker could make a new version that uses the raid chat channel to send messages, or even yell. It would just require everyone to be in a raid or else everyone within yell distance.
Best i can tell, it will still let you do a “joined” channel as well?
carbonite seemed to let me tell it to use a chat window set to a joined channel and i could see the other 2 people that also joined it on my map
And yet we had exactly the same types of addons in vanilla and never had this issue. Dont just blame honorspy. DBM/BigWigs/Details/Recount/Threat meters/and a potential spy addon change to allow it to triangilate an enemies exact location with the 50 yd change - all of them communicate on their own dedicated channel.
No because they broke the addons ability to automate joining/leaving the q completly nulifying the addon. What you are left with is basically an ingame raid dbm timer to all click q at the same time. All you had to do in vanilla > wotlk was click the battlemaster and have the join q ui open - the raid leader controlling the addon could q and join/deny the entire raids q.