Right now you don’t wanna use spree during stealth because it lasts too long, just make it so stealth timer is frozen during it.
Also, make it stationary, seriously. This thing literally kills you. Did you even test this? It literally took 1 dungeon to see the issue.
You don’t want to use Spree in stealth to begin with?
Are you dense? Or just being purposefully obtuse?
What do you think this is about?
I have no idea. Why would you use Killing Spree in stealth?
Guess what, if they made spree freeze the duration of stealth for it’s channel you would use it in stealth, that’s the whole point of this discussion.
Spree is a lot of damage, but the issue is the channel in stealth means that you’re better off using other abilities that do damage instantly, but ignoring this ability means that you waste a LOT of cdr for it, which is obviously a bad thing.
Making it freeze stealth duration during the channel would pretty much fix this issue, and make it a good button to press even in a stealth window.
not really??? cause youd still want to use your combo points on dispatch and ambush for rtb from cto. OR ya know, crackshot for your stealth windows.
your not gonna use killing spree if it did pause stealth. it really sounds like you havent played outlaw at all
You definitely would.
Why wouldn’t you use it if it froze the stealth window? It’s literally free damage. You lose no stealth duration, you can press just as many dispatches/ambushes etc etc.
Your comment makes no sense.
then it becomes one of those things, thats like. why?? it doesnt really do anything for the spec as a whole.
What the hell are you even talking about.
Are you just complaining for the sake of it?
Do you have a solution of your own? If not, then… Don’t speak.
okay your just being rude af now. if your gonna post publicly then prepare to have a dialogue about what you post.
i just dont think this particular change is necessary for the spec. like what would it even accomplish?
back then in dragonflight when nightstalker still existed then sure would be nice. but now theres no point
The comment you made is not a discussion.
It’s just a word salad.
I provided a solution to KS not being used during stealth, i also said they should remove the part where you move around, which would solve both of the issues that KS has.
Then you made a comment that was objectively wrong.
And after i pointed that out you made a nonsensical point. Wtf do you mean it doesn’t do anything for the spec? It literally fixes the problem with spree.
Where is the discussion?
that i agree with, but thats something every outlaw that uses killing spree would suggest anyways. so your not really inventing the wheel here
i was pointing out the stealth change, which doesnt really fix anything. they cant make killing spree stationary without making it pause stealth.
the discussion is “what does killing spree pausing stealth accomplish” now that nightstalker doesnt exist anymore to warrant to use it during stealth
iots just a weird solution, with “also make killing spree stationary” tackled on to give legitimacy to the solution
even with nightstalker gone it’s still a problem, why? Because you’re wasting CDR on this ability due to not using it during stealth windows.
What are you even arguing against? This is to YOUR BENEFIT. Why are you arguing against your own benefit? Do you not want a rotation that flows better where you don’t waste stuff due to weird interactions?
??? cdr on killing spree? aka the ability that has a effective cd of 20 seconds on proper play. its kinda…lol?
except it doesnt really do anything? killing spree not being used in stealth is such a non issue that its like the last thing to think about
especially with actual issues like coup gcd, killing spree killing you, opp being a 35% proc chance, and the various stealth bugs
personally id like killing spree to be something like whirlwind or deathsweep. instead of a presudo channel
I still have no idea why you keep insisting on using Killing Spree in stealth when there’s absolutely zero benefit? What does stealth do for Killing Spree?
Haste would give a 10% delta to KS, right? There seems to be a very small margin, if UHUH affected and you could squeeze more than one into a surprise window.
But buffs to Killing Spree performance does feel like saying “This bowl of trash water would be GREAT, if we could just get replace the cardboard with plastic.” Killing Spree is fundamentally dissatisfying, especially as a spender.
Having played Outlaw since inception during Legion, I want less Stealth on Outlaw, not more. This change would move in the wrong direction for me.
I’ve played my rogue off and on since Outlaw was called Combat, and I basically play the spec as though Stealth only exists at the start of the fight.
Is it “Optimal”? No, not really, but it is what feels right for a supposed In-your-face Swashbuckler.
I’m just gonna ignore obtuse points of views from now on.
If you don’t see the issue here, it’s not my problem.
Think a little more before speaking. Some “points” iv’e seen here are mind bogglingly bad, to the point where i think that you haven’t actually thought anything before opening your mouth, and just reacting without thinking at all.
Good sir, this is an internet forum.
We don’t open mouths at all to share our thoughts here. 
(Allow me to apologize in advance for my ableist remarks. To all my colleagues who use speech to text, I regret the harm, real, imaginary, or otherwise, that my obtuse points of view have caused.)
First, and foremost, it is your problem. You are providing only partial information, and when asked to provide the missing piece you are throwing a tantrum.
Any attacks used from stealth will break stealth. There are 0 situations where that is not true for Outlaw.
I suspect what you are actually referring to is Subterfuge, but one can only guess because you’ve refused to elaborate even remotely on what exactly it is you want and have been nothing but hostile to everyone in this thread while hiding on a level 10 forum alt from an account that has never played the game.
IF this is what you are referring to then you have a fundamental misunderstanding of when you should be pressing each button. You shouldn’t be entering into a Subterfuge window with KS off CD (excepting at the start of a fight), and you shouldn’t press KS during Subterfuge windows if it happens to pop up. Finishers during the window should always be either Between the Eyes [BTE] or Dispatch; Ideally BTE due to its specific interactions with Stealth.
Secondly, if it’s such a significant pain point for you when playing that it makes you clearly very angry just drop those 3-4 points into some other portion of the Class tree, or play a different spec/class.
Finally, I firmly believe you should take your own advice and