Kill the premades yourself. By making friends.
Alliance players get to fight horde pugs all the time. Reroll or keep getting wrecked. You chose this when you chose red.
Do you know how ranking works? There is no established amount of honor that gets you your rank. You keep bringing honor numbers up as if that were the case. If you arenāt making a bracket itās because you arenāt putting in as much play time. If you are experiencing premades, you can bet your horde brethren on your server are as well. Trying to convince people you are facing premades more than others on your server wonāt sell very well either. Tell me you games arenāt enjoyable, and then you have an argument.
I find it funny in a thread about killing premades and seemingly advocating for killing premades you make 3 references to forming groups still. The first one is my favorite. Right after asking why shouldnāt you be able to hit rank 14 solo you talk about how people who do this for a living still form groups.
Long story short, here is what i get from this. Horde donāt like organized pvp. Alliance does. I have pugged and gotten plenty of pug vs pug games. You know what I saw? Matches where people zone in assume the lose and start talking about farming HK at stables or letting them win so they can get their rep token and move on. This is a pug vs pug game for peteās sake.
I took a dozen or so screenshots of this phenomenon. I think you understand this to be true too so you want to make a change to benefit horde to allow them to beat up on alliance pugs all day. All this talk about āfunā games is hogwash.
Itās obvious, you have one goal you are the one that wants to abuse the system and make changes to benefit the horde only. Why? Because you have some far fetched notion that you should be able to either lose or pug your way to 14.
Well friend let me once again remind you about how poorly welfare epics panned out for everyone with arena and rated systems back in the day. Keep peddling the same poor, broken solutions that fixed nothing and you will find yourself playing retail again.
Why queue? Seriously?
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No. keep the premades. Youāre the type of person who cries about his HPH when I tell you how absolutely dumpster tier the āpremadeā weāre up against is and then you have a big cry baby wankfest at farm about it while I remind you that youāre in MY BG and now my efforts have shifted from winning to making sure the match lasts as long as humanly possible for you. Take the L, I get being frustrated at competent premades who ROLL you with FAP and LIP, whatever those are done quick, but when there are 2 people at LM and the only ones who donāt back down are a priest in greens and a fury warrior while you sit there in your champ gear picking your butt, no. It is over, itās not F premades. Itās F quitters weekend, and I am going to ensure each and every one of you have the longest, most inefficient game possible.
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Dear god its like listening to my slightly less evil twin speaking. Can I just say you did a much better job of making my point than I did in some ways lol.
Well done, I give you 1 <3
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Why are you still replying to me bro? Donāt you have enough square pegs to put in round holes?
Iām not trying to convince anyone Iām facing more premades then they are. Iām sure everyone trying to play for enjoyment is having the same annoying experience I am. What is it you people are not getting that this is not enjoyable? Weāre playing a game here. I donāt care if you are trying for rank 14, but I donāt want to be a bloody punching bag for you every match, and on the off-chance I actually get a group together that wants to win, I donāt want the opponents to automatically quit if we get 3 bases in AB. Why canāt you people just bot and be happy that you donāt have to do anything to rank.
We are playing the game we signed up for. āWarts and Allā
I didnāt sign up to play retail simulator 2.0 with less pvp.
There is no 1v1 arena noob
Stop playing the overpopulated faction if you donāt want to hit walls of premades. Itās that simple.
Except itās not the same game it was back in 2004-2005. Itās not even the same game it was in 2010 because the player base is different. People are all about ābeating the gameā when it was never designed to end.
Neither did I, but it was also never going to be that perfect private server experience that traditionalists, like me, wanted. The game in its 2004 state is, lets face it, exploitable by 2020 standards. And secondly, we are all playing with the best/final iterations of the classes and talent trees that were originally implemented towards the end of classic, along with 15 years of meta analysis from private servers on the āoptimalā way to play the classes. Look at the top raid logs and the top PVP brackets every week and itās all warrior, rogue, mage and priest and the one druid who flag-carries in WSG. And then you look at the streams of the actually skilled players, and itās all 1v1, 1v2 etc world pvp because they know BGs are screwed. So why shouldnāt the game change to reflect the meta?
Ah, i see the source of your angst.
This is pretty much what it was like in Vanilla for me. Other people may remember it different but I did the rank 14 grind back then. We had a group that pretty much saw other premade groups all day long. Yes we saw pugs too. They got stomped. Oh well.
The biggest difference between now and then was no cross server BGās. If you want to rail against something rail against that.
It did change, in retail. Alot of us didnāt like it so we stopped playing. There is no reason to have 2 versions of retails.
Play classic and be happy
or
Play retail and be happy
What no one wants is for both to be the same thing.
Yeap I completely understand you, premades suck when your soling PVP and doing pugs. I run into them all the time and they truely kill the fun of the game. It really sad to see when a faction takes advantage of something that should be correct.
Oh wait, what am I talking about. Your part of the horde, (Your part of the faction that killed AV fun for me by make it unplayable and went on rants how if we just need to try harder to win because nothing wrong with the map ) so all you need is the advice that was giving to me by your fellow faction members. Here it is, I am passing it to you. You just need to come up with better strategies to win and you have to play harder. I believe in the PVP powers of the horde. 
For the Predames!!!
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Iām not wanting both to be the same thing. Re-read my post. I played in vanilla too, you know what existed in vanilla? Casual BGs. So if itās the same game now, why doesnāt that exist? Itās because the game has been analyzed for 15 years and everyone knows how to exploit it to reach the meta in every possible way, and for some it means making a premade and rolling over pugs to maximize rp. Iām not looking for retail, Iām looking for some respite to be able to play the game how I enjoyed it in 2004.
This is funny, because for 10+ years in the original game most people would have agreed that the map was alliance-favored. Look at forum posts from back then and they all say Alliance have an advantage in AV. Aaaand it was still alliance favored in 2020 because alliance likes to do premades even though a horde pug actually had a fighting chance, unlike AB.
Here Iām actually going to quote a dude from a different thread because I think he summarizes the problem pretty succinctly: "As for premade, yeah they should be in. Why not just have a premade only section, and keep pug BGs to pug BGs. Letās see if some of these hardcore PvPrs are actually good to begin with instead of going against a group of randoms who are probabaly only joining to have fun, not be a part of some neckbeard crowd itching for 15 extra dps from PvP gear thatāll get replaced by decent gear and skilled players down the road.
Or you know what, keep the premades fighting against pugs. In the end people dont respect players who gain from taking advantage of others, and you can all keep to your small little circle of problem makers while the rest of us actually grow as a positive part of the community who appreciate the game for what it is."
You know what also existed in Vanilla? Premade groups. I mean we can go round and round about this for as long as you want.
When the game first came out or back in vanilla many not to say all players were not that knowledgeable of the mechanisms of the game nor were they as good as most are today. So not knowing you have map advantage is like not having it. Back in vanilla their was not 1 billion youtube guides for wow nor their were detail calculations of what BIS for each class or had private server for year to learn and practice the game. Their was dial up man so donāt give me the oh back in vanilla it was like this. I can tell you back in the 1300ās people thought the earth was flat too. Does not make it true today.
To end my 5 cents rant, the fact is that as of today not back in vanilla AV is not fun for the alliance so we will not play it. You can blame the alliance all you want. 90 something % of us will not play it. So enjoy long queues and even longer grinds to PVP ranking if your ranking.
If anyoneās going āround and roundā itās you, for literally ignoring my entire argument. Thatās a straw man, Iām not denying the existence of premades, only saying that it was completely possible back then to random queue for BGs and never or rarely have to deal with one. Again, the player base is different in 2020 than it was in 2004
Soā¦you agree with me? Or what? Are you saying that AV was only fun when you could take advantage of an exploit that let you make a 40 person premade? Because that was literally an exploit not meant to be in the game. Or are you saying that itās not fun because of a perceived āmap advantageā? How exactly is smarter players using terrain to their advantage in an otherwise fair fight the same as bad players abusing an unfair advantage against uncoordinated groups?
Have you ever played an RTS? Or Overwatch? Or any competitive PvP game? Because there doesnāt seem to be anything wrong with people using the map to their advantage in those. Thereās a clear difference between āokay Iām going to stack my group with 5 paladins and 10 warriors and then fight unprepared pugsā, versus āthese towers take longer to cap than the bunkers so Iām going to rage-quit.ā
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I like how everyone complaining about premades, logs on their random retail trash Alliance character they barely play.
Blizz should probably cap groups at 5.
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