Kill the layers now and it'll fix your stupid server tranfers :p

[Brokenwind-grobbulus]

Of course that same post claims that they’re not going to increase the cap… which they did anyway.

You really have trouble with reading comprehension and what is implied.

PS: You ignored that blue post from a ways back up the thread.

[Lyrian-pagle]

You know… they could start talking right now, so people know for sure what to expect. Stick a post that address exactly that…

I agree, but miracles are rare these days heh.

[Tln-herod]

PS: You ignored that blue post from a ways back up the thread.

Your post was the first time I’ve seen it, and I’ve been following this thread since the beginning.

And you edited an earlier post, so I’ll respond to it here:

Faily certain that “Layering is a solution that allows us in the short term to run multiple copies of Azeroth as a whole” means exactly that.

No. It only suggests that they are able to make multiple copies of the world. It doesn’t imply anything about the total population with and without layers. In that same interview they specifically call out starter zones as an issue, so it stands to reason that they can maintain the higher pop when players spread out.

[Brokenwind-grobbulus]

Would blizzard lose a metric ton of subs if they do that?
More than likely. Private Servers would see quite a resurgence.

Again, i think its a lose lose for them either way. People arnt going to keep paying for a game they cant get in to either, with 20 hr queues. There is no real simple answer, unless they split the realms, and make some layered and some not.

They need to nut up and be more proactive.
a) stop putting transfers on a static end date. end them when they are balanced.
b) allow transfers to ANY low pop realm, not specific ones
c) allow transfers off of RP/RPVP realms to corresponding PVE and PVP realms.

[Varionen-pagle]

This is where my disconnect is, I think. I’m trying to simply argue that the single point process of adding or removing layers does not affect the queue. The determining factor of queue times is the overall realm/server capacity.

What I mean is that it would be possible to remove all layers right now, at this exact moment. It would make the world insanely overcrowded, but I’m not arguing gameplay. If all layers were removed right now, a server that had a queue of say 500, would still have a queue of 500 UNLESS Blizzard also decreased the max population of the entire server/realm.

[Lyrian-pagle]

They need to nut up and be more proactive.
a) stop putting transfers on a static end date. end them when they are balanced.
b) allow transfers to ANY low pop realm, not specific ones
c) allow transfers off of RP/RPVP realms to corresponding PVE and PVP realms.

Yeah, nothing to argue there, your correct heh.

[Brokenwind-grobbulus]

Your post was the first time I’ve seen it, and I’ve been following this thread since the beginning.

I literally scrolled up and copy/pasted from another’s post in this very thread.

[Brokenwind-grobbulus]

PS: You ignored that blue post from a ways back up the thread.

Your post was the first time I’ve seen it, and I’ve been following this thread since the beginning.

And you edited an earlier post, so I’ll respond to it here:

Faily certain that “Layering is a solution that allows us in the short term to run multiple copies of Azeroth as a whole” means exactly that.

No. It only suggests that they are able to make multiple copies of the world. It doesn’t imply anything about the total population with and without layers. In that same interview they specifically call out starter zones as an issue, so it stands to reason that they can maintain the higher pop when players spread out.

Do you believe that realm caps are currently at vanilla-like levels?

• YES
• NO

[Tln-herod]

I literally scrolled up and copy/pasted from another’s post in this very thread.

I see that Holymirax edited it into her comment.

You did the same thing not too long ago. How do either of you expect to have a conversation if you’re changing what you previously said?

EDIT:

Do you believe that realm caps are currently at vanilla-like levels?

• YES
• NO

I don’t even believe the individual layers are at vanilla like levels.

[Varionen-pagle]

I appreciate that you and I were on opposite ends of a really stupid argument yesterday, but we agree on this. Gives me a little bit of hope in the world for some reason.

[Jessabrina-thrall]

The only reason layering was implemented was to reduce the visible population in an area and make it easier to quest through the early zones.

Duuude. No. That’s not at all even close to the reason for layering.

Layering was introduced as a way to over populate the realms, because there’s an expected drop off of population.

Blizz wants happy and healthy realms during P2 and beyond, when there’s no layers. That is why layering was implemented.

[Varionen-pagle]

I need to go searching, but I think it was in the AMA.

[Lyrian-pagle]

Duuude. No. That’s not at all even close to the reason for layering.

Layering was introduced as a way to over populate the realms, because there’s an expected drop off of population.

Blizz wants happy and healthy realms during P2 and beyond, when there’s no layers. That is why layering was implemented.

The layering was done for both reasons, to ensure healthy server populations down the line, and also to alleviate bottlenecks of hundreds of people in areas trying to do stuff.

[Jessabrina-thrall]

I’ve been reading about layering since before Blizz officially announced it.

It is there just to overstock the realms, for the expected drop off.
They wanted to over stock without trashing the Vanilla experience by increasing caps to 10k in a single world.
Layering was made to make the world still feel Vanilla, while having a buffer for the expected drop off.

[Holymirax-ashkandi]

Ion Haziwhatever said that they want “to have at any given point in time as few layers as are necessary to support the population that we’re seeing — with the eventual goal of having that number be one. No one will have a layer be destroyed out from under them.”

they also said that when world bosses are live, only 1 world per realm.

[Vyxus-illidan]

Overcrowded Realm Update

Based on name reservations so far, the Herod realm is looking to be massively overpopulated. If all existing players on this server remain there, login queues in excess of 10,000 players are a certainty, and possibly much higher than that. We recently opened up the Stalagg realm, and we urge players on Herod to consider moving there. There are a lot of players currently on Herod and we want Stalagg to fill up before we open any new PvP realms. This is so that player population is spread as even…

Third paragraph down, post by blizzard themselves, when they turn layering off, if something isn’t done about unhealthily overpopulated servers, the queues will skyrocket. Now I have cited a source on why when layering is turned off queues will go up, do you have any proof or citations to say otherwise?

[Holymirax-ashkandi]

@Lyrian-pagle

i doubt they will remove layering entirely

so question for you. how do you do 1 world boss per server, if said server has 5 layers?

@Tln-herod

@Brokenwind-grobbulus

Imgine being that willfully ignorant.

Willfully ignorant that the interview doesn’t address this topic?

Trololol

@Kaivax

severe queues when we turn off layering permanently before Phase 2 of our content unlock plan.

FINALLY someone posts something blue.

Of course that same post claims that they’re not going to increase the cap… which they did anyway.

i posted that ages ago. here let me link the post.[quote=“Holymirax-ashkandi, post:67, topic:296965, full:true”]

@Varionen-pagle

Ok. I see now we’re arguing a technicality. I won’t say I’m wrong, because I’m not, but I don’t think anyone else is wrong either. We’re just arriving to the conclusion is vastly different ways.

except you are. even blizzard said that they expect extreme queues when layering is removed.

@Kaivax

While we are able to fit several times more players on a single realm in 2019 than was the case in 2006, we are not going to raise that cap any further, even though we have the technical capacity to do so. Raising realm caps would simply forestall the problem, letting more players in at launch but creating an unsustainable situation down the line, with severe queues when we turn off layering permanently before Phase 2 of our content unlock plan.

i even bolded it for you.
[/quote]

see?

[Brokenwind-grobbulus]

I don’t even believe the individual layers are at vanilla like levels.

Why can’t you simply answer the question?
Are server caps (combined layers) are at vanilla-like levels?

• YES
• NO

[Tln-herod]

Why can’t you simply answer the question?

I already did.

[Holymirax-ashkandi]

I’m trying to simply argue that the single point process of adding or removing layers does not affect the queue

except that blue post literally disagrees with you. he literally said “server queues will be severe when we remove layering”.
the only way that is possible is if removing layering also reduces the number of people allowed on the server at one time.