It’s funny how when I post about adding ranged abilities, you ‘‘fix’’ my post by removing the ‘ranged’ part.
And follow that up by saying that it’s not just ranged but all abilities.
And when I then suggest adding something which fits MSV even better, like Flanking Strike, you accuse me of contradicting myself for saying that MSV should get an ability which fits the ‘‘class identity’’ less than KS. Even though you’re the one who brought up the identity part as an argument, not me.
And then, I go back to suggesting that we should add more ranged abilities and remove melee ones as you seem to like for MSV to have more ranged ones, for the sake of ‘‘class identity’’ as you say.
When I do this, you tell me that I should stop trying to make the spec less fun for you?
Which one is it? Make up your mind…
They could add it, for the sake of class identity as you like to put it.
But why not also remove melee abilities in favor of more ranged ones? As, like you say, that would take it even further in terms of ‘‘class identity’’.
There u have it, leave the skill alone and let SV have it. U have a problem with the spec as a whole itself? Take it up with blizz. I personally love the aspect of doing damage via KC+bleed, SS, bombs, then going in for MB for the kill or kiting a melee around till half and going in to burst them. It is the playstyle that has been given.
Again, more buttons is better for all classes and specs we should be happy about these things not try and dictate who gets what because you are mad at a decision BLIZZARD made, not that the people who enjoy msv made. Dont be mad at the people who enjoy the spec.
All in all blizz could make the choice to go with you folks which would piss off any of the current sv base, but guess what? I would take it up with blizz making threads directed at them, tweeting, etc, because the anti Msv people arent to blame because they actually dont care what u or I think. Just gotta be loud.
For Rsv, I think u need to pray for dark ranger to come out. They are likely gonna do that at some point and they will be the spiritual successor to old rsv. that’s a different topic tho.
As for myself, this is what I’m doing, and have been for quite a while.
Like I said: Keep MSV and give us that 4th spec as RSV.
Dark Ranger is not RSV, nor is it any form of ‘‘spiritual successor’’ to it. Dark Rangers are a fantasy of their own, with little ties to actual hunters.
No need to look at that fantasy as some weird replacement for RSV.
RSV held a fantasy and a focus of it’s own that can easily be built on for the modern game.
Because that is accurate. Game is better with more abilities.
U suggested FS instead of KS. I said FS SHOULD BE baseline but should still get KS
Again more abilities is more fun, read up for reiteration. again I know u want sv to be ranged again. Talk to blizz and stop getting mad at players who like the spec how it is.
They are the ones who are adding things for class identity and ur the one who said it is better than doing more spec specific stuff, see:
Ur contradicting yourself.
Ur correct more abilities are fun on everyone! So stop trying to dictate who gets what when ur mad at daddy blizzard for taking your favorite toy away
Should be taken in context to what my answer was for.
What I said was:
The devs said that they wanted to look more towards class identity.
And in that sense, adding something like KS would do it’s part. But if that’s the case then, why not delete the melee abilities altogether? As by that logic, melee abilities for the class goes against the supposed class identity.
That’s not me contradicting myself. That’s just me trying to go by their logic.
But then you say that it’s not just ranged abilities but all abilities that we(you) want. Hence why I then suggested something that fits MSV even better than KS.
Not dictating.
Just suggested something that fits MSV even more than KS.
That’s where u dont get it, both abilities fit the spec.
Again stop trying to make the spec less fun for people who play it we know you want rsv back and cant keep that bias out of your typing.
Idk what u want me as someone who likes msv to do, stop playing so they will hopefully change it to ranged? No. Apologize? Yeah, im sorry blizz took your favorite toy but guess what you arent the only one who is looking at a spec u didnt sign up for: classic and bc enh, wotlk ret, blood dk DPS, old unholy dk, shadow priest when they could hold their own vs melee dps, mop demon lock that had their capstone taken and made into a zoo spec, those are all classes and specs I played on the past that no longer appeal to me because of blizz balancing. We’ve all had specs we loved to play balanced by blizz so let people enjoy what they have.
You would much rather prefer it is not melee as seen here u may not have a problem with the people who enjoy it, but man u couldnt give 2 craps if they had the same thing happen to them. Again the “i got screwed so i hope u get screwed” is an annoying and pathetic argument. (that’s why I said “full stop” after “abilities”).
That’s the thing all the discussions here is just people saying KS should be given to sv then others saying it shouldnt be given to sv because it isnt ranged (thats a poor arguemnt) and others saying if sv gets it they should just make it a ranged spec again. Again I understand why yall are upset but let people who enjoy the spec enjoy it and try and keep ur bias out of the conversation.
Ghorak, the chances of a 4th spec def arent the greatest, again rsv will likely get the old demon lock treatment where the idea is taken and made into a class. We wont know until it is named.
What I imagine sv hunter should be is what old (wotlk ->wod) enh shaman used to be.
It had good ranged ranged cc and dps abilities while being deadly in melee
You run around with both a sword and bow in your hands, (in my headcannon it should be a single one handed weapon and a bow, but whatever ) shooting auto shots, explosive arrows and serpent stings, and kill commands from afar with your bow as well as raptor strikes with coordinated assault, while when you move into melee all those abilities would get melee animations instead.
Give us kill command execute then and replace current kc with flanking strike if you hate sv getting kill shot so much
They dont hate sv getting ks. They hate that Sv is melee and not ranged.
Tbh I’m kinda surprised they didnt add a hand bow or hand cannon to the spec and u use 1h in my and 1h ranged in offhand. Maybe then this “shouldt use ranged because u dont have an equipped ranged weapon” wouldn’t be a thing.
But blizz can also be lazy so not incredibly surprised at the same time.
I understand the frustration, but when the 3 most vocal people against, in this thread, it all include “it should just be a ranged spec” in their arguement it is very apparent they just dont want the spec around as it is and would prefer it be less fun so there is less representation so HOPEFULLY blizz will admit they were wrong (once In a blue moon, get behind the pvp community and asking for venders for over 4y, which is a MUCH easier change) and change the spec back.
As I said, anyone wanting Rsv needs to hope dark ranger is a thing later in the xpac when we “learn” more about the shadowlands. I dont see them reverting the changes made nor do I see them making a 4th spec for any class even though I would love to see a spiritual successor to blood dps as a 4th dk spec , but I’m a realist.
One thing they don’t seem to realize is that even if it went to ranged, it would not be like it was before. Theybreworked bm, they reworked mm, why eould rsv been any different and stayed the same?
Thry would be still complaining about the exact same thing.
I did not say that KS doesn’t fit MSV at all. Considering that the devs are now happy with ranged weapon-based abilities no longer needing actual ranged weapons(Serpent Sting) to be fired then, by all means. You can make an entire ranged hunter spec completely void of a equipped ranged weapon.
What I actually said was that something like Flanking Strike fits a spec intended for melee combat even more than for example KS does. Especially as MSV is also about the coordination between the hunter and the pet.
And also, this is not my bias. Not at all. All I did when suggesting the removal of melee abilities altogether, was following your argument that specs should cater more towards ‘‘class identity’’ rather than individual spec identity.
Because, looking at the class as a whole, melee abilities do not line up with said class identity. If we instead talk about class fantasy, it becomes a different case entirely.
You keep being overly dramatic about everything I say. But there’s no need to…
Got a source for this?
Got even the slightest hint at why this is the only logical approach for us to get RSV back?
You keep flaming us for ‘‘attempting to remove all the fun from your preferred spec’’.
But at the same time, you have no problem telling us that what we who loved RSV should/could hope for at best, is for a completely different fantasy and archetype in this game to somehow provide a version of RSV for us to play.
Despite the actual fact that a spec/class based on Dark Rangers would play nothing like the old RSV. If this is what you think Dark Rangers are about, then you really need to read up on the history/lore behind how they come to be as well as what they are all about.
As, that, has little-to-nothing to do with the fantasy of hunters in this game.
Once again for the sake of clarity:
I don’t care if the Hunter class has a melee only spec(or a hybrid as you like to say).
Give me a 4th spec as RSV and I’m all good.
And no, not Dark Ranger-styled or a Dark Ranger-based class in it’s place. Dark Rangers are not hunters in this game. They are the opposite of what hunters are about in this game.
The return to class identity is meaning returning things the class had as a whole before they changed specs to be an advanced class instead of a specialization. Like when all rogues had SS, gouge, and poisons.
Because if blizz makes a 4th spec for any class there will whining and moaning from every other class about how they should get a 4th spec, I gave the example of dk having a 4th spec being like blood dps and 2h frost. It just wont happen.
K so stop saying they shouldn’t have skills based on the fact the skill may be ranged. Again more abilities is more fun for all
Maybe if yall start q petition u can get a 4th spec, hxll I’ll sign it.
The difference here, is that DKs are asking for alternative versions of already existing specs.
RSV is not an alternative version of any existing hunter spec.
Thanks for that. Though keep in mind that petition posts on these forums are frowned upon.
One was created earlier this year(late summer I think), it got 100+ signs in a few days. But it was later removed from the forum.
If the continous topics created regarding the return of RSV as a spec option(no matter the way people are asking for it to return), should be proof enough of the popularity. And I’m not just talking about the last couple of months. I’m talking about almost 4 years worth of requests/feedback.
As an avid 2h fdk player and pvper (asking for venders back) I will say they hear our crys but arent listening.
Imo start one on reddit and MMO Champ. Both those platforms can get lots of views and devs still visit them. Have some folks link it to here, it will get removed, but if it is up for a day or 2 more people will see it and hopefully sign.
Really I want people to have fun how they want. Melee, ranged, caster, tank, dps, unfortunately blizz doesnt share my support.
I want more un-pruning and more options in the game again.
What does this have to do with anything I posted? Like I said in the very part you quoted, Kill Shot does not fit Survival because Kill Shot is an ability entirely based in proficiency with a ranged weapon and SV does not have a real ranged weapon. It’s already silly enough that SV uses a “phantom ranged weapon” for Serpent Sting and Binding Shot. I could sort of buy this “occasional ranged weapon” thing with Outlaw Rogue as a dual-wielder with a sidearm pistol, but having a spear-swinging “berserker” spec fighting alongside its loyal pet randomly throwing bombs and pulling out a crossbow to shoot a poisoned crossbow bolt doesn’t have any cohesion and is just a mishmash of random “cool-sounding” fantasy archetypes amalgamated together. Which, may I remind you, was something people accused of ranged Survival that making the spec melee would ostensibly fix.
This “have your cake and eat it too” approach with melee Survival is getting increasingly ridiculous. Just give the spec a ranged weapon already if it is going to need so many ranged weapon aspects in its toolkit. The fact that formerly universal and beloved Hunter abilities such as Kill Shot, Distracting Shot, and Tranquilising Shot are now problematic due to the existence of melee Survival should tell you something.
Yes, and that is thoroughly rooted in the use of a ranged weapon.
Uh, yes it is. It’s meant to represent the Hunter preventing the enemy from escaping. Having a longer-than-average range is a big part of that.
For the record, I’m not concerned about Murder of Crows, Kill Command, or Wildfire Bomb (well, I am concerned about that one but not for the same reason). None of them use a ranged weapon. I’m concerned about Serpent Sting, Kill Shot, Binding Shot, the PvP stings, and the prospects of getting Distracting Shot and Tranquilising Shot back.
Yes, it’s thematically inappropriate for an ostensibly melee spec to be using so many ranged aspecs. If a Hunter had a ranged weapon they would use that; sticking to a melee weapon despite having apparently having a fully-capable ranged weapon is arbitrary and pointless. It certainly doesn’t make sense in the context of the very name “Survival” and what that is meant to convey. Clearly you also think this is problematic to some degree because you keep pushing for these abilities to instead be 20 yards, which solves nothing. They would still use a ranged weapon, just with an arbitrary range limit. The only decisive ways of actually doing anything about this increasingly nonsensical mixed of melee weapon abilities and ranged ones are either doubling down on the melee aspects and removing the ranged weapon ones, or the other way around. Given that the short-lived dumpster fire that was Legion Survival (reminder: the one that was meant to fix everything that was allegedly wrong with ranged Survival), the latter makes more sense.
Having a ranged weapon animation is a weak bandaid fix.
Again we get to the source of your issues.
Dude. Look. We understand ur sad. We undersrand blizz took away a spec u like. But hoping they screw up and gut MSV so bad they just revert it to RSV again is just being selfish at this point. You have proved nothing about how SV shouldnt have KS aside from u not liking the new meleeish theme.
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Just like the start of the post, this doesn’t actually acknowledge what I said and is just low-effort trolling.
Wanting to keep the spec melee no matter what is, in fact, the selfish position here.
The spec uses a two-handed melee weapon, lacks a ranged weapon, and is encouraged to stick to melee range as much as possible. Having a phantom animated ranged weapon does not change that nor does it make Kill Shot suddenly make sense.
Pretty much this. I am glad, at the end of the day, that Kill Shot is coming back. I just think it perfectly highlights the ongoing farce that is melee Survival and furthers the argument that it should be ranged again.
) shooting auto shots, explosive arrows and serpent stings, and kill commands from afar with your bow as well as raptor strikes with coordinated assault, while when you move into melee all those abilities would get melee animations instead.