So, I joined a heroic dungeon queue, get in and the tank says something to the effect that he is going to pull huge and to allow him to do it. He does and a couple people die and the healer leaves. He says, “Well there’s the first cry baby out of the way.” then I tell him that he doesn’t have to pull the whole dungeon and we go back and forth about that then I get kicked and get deserter. All the while I was continuing to help the group get through the dungeon. Clearly there is more conversation that is relevant to this that you can go look at and should.
My first question is: How is this behavior tolerated?
and: Why am I penalized twice for something that the group wanted. That being kicked from the dungeon I waited to get into and having to wait an extra 30 minutes before I can requeue…
Unfortunately none of the conversation is relevant. The 30 minute cooldown is part of the kick. It’s coded in. It’s a majority vote and they don’t need a reason. Just a majority.
I’m curious as to how that’s the solution when it didn’t answer either of my questions.
I can assume the answer to my first question is, ‘It just is…’… but my second question isn’t how I got a deserter buff which would be a coding question but why I got it when the group voted for my removal. They chose to remove me so why am I “punished” for their choice?
I’d also disagree that the conversation was irrelevant since I did nothing to warrant a deserter buff.
Blizz doesn’t outsource. Never has. The cooldown is coded in. Cannot be overridden. People used to hold raids for hostage. Ruining the experience for all. You can thank your fellow players.
There is no mark against your account. You merely have a 30 minute wait.
You engaged the tank instead of starting a vote to kick of the tank. You also assume that the tank was the one who initiated the vote. The conversation is irrelevant, unless there was foul language involved. In that case you should have right-clicked the chat and reported it for language.
When the kick option was added to the game, there was no penalty for being kicked, just for leaving. It was massively abused, mainly by tanks and healers. If they got a dungeon they didn’t want to do they would hold the group hostage until they were kicked so they could instantly re-queue. The system now does not look at why/how you left, just that you left.
Because many years ago, there was no penalty when someone was voted out by the majority of the group, only if you voluntarily left. What ended up happening was that people would do crappy things when they got a dungeon they didn’t want to do, or ended up in a group they didn’t like… like tanks would refuse to tank, or healers would refuse to heal, or people would kamikaze pull, or people would simply alt-f4 and force a d/c so that the group would get annoyed and vote kick them, and they’d be out of their despised dungeon with no penalty.
Blizzard decided that it was unacceptable behaviour, and unfair to the rest of the group, and changed the system so that if you leave a group for any reason (whether voluntary or not) within a certain time frame, you will receive the deserter debuff.
It’s a majority rules vote, which means the majority of the group decided they’d rather not have you there. Whatever happened between you and the tank, whatever words were exchanged, someone initiated a vote to kick you, and the majority of the group agreed.
Is it fair to you? Likely not. But it’s a social dilemma, one which Blizzard has decided to give players the tools to resolve on their own. Which is what they did in your situation.
The system doesn’t care why you left the dungeon. Whether you choose to leave or the group chooses to remove you, the fact that you are no longer there is the only relevant data point.
Regardless of how or why you left, the debuff is applied. This is because it is to be that you didn’t get the debuff when kicked, so a certain segment of the playerbase would refuse to participate in order to be kicked. They did this to avoid the debuff. So Blizzard applies the debuff to everyone now.
The conversation is irrelevant because they could have chosen to kick for having a hideous transmog. They could have kicked you for having too many consonants in your name. They could have kicked you for absolutely no reason whatsoever. They. Don’t. Need. A reason. The end.
I remember a Zul’Gurub run during the ‘no deserter for kick’ era, or possibly very shortly afterwards but people hadn’t realized yet that the change had happened, either way it was exactly as described: dude kept trying to get us to kick him by doing stupid stuff, wasting our time, and was extremely vocal about why. Was really annoying.
If the group wanted your way, then you would not have been kicked.
Getting kicked means a majority of the group did not want you there, for whatever reason.
The bottom line is that you had a disagreement with one or more other players. You had one viewpoint, another had a different viewpoint. That’s it. It happens.
The kick system does not make judgment decisions on who is “right” or “wrong”. It just counts the votes. Period.
And you’re welcome to do so, but the CS forums are not a feedback forum. The development team will not see your feedback here.
You’ll want to post in the General forums.
Otherwise, the system is simply a majority rules vote.
There actually are plenty. For example, go ahead and post a perfect system in the General forums. One that can’t be abused in any way. Nobody has been able to come up with one yet.
In their eyes, they did. Again, Majority rules, you don’t get a say. I’ve been kicked for having the wrong hairstyle, I don’t come to the forums to bellyache or whine about it, I just laugh, wait out the debuff and re-queue.
It’s not abuse. it’s not nice, but Blizzard is not gonna intervene.