The kick timer needs a serious rework.
I was just in a regular heroic. Not an infernal or Hour of Twilight. Just. A. Regular. Heroic. I was on my warrior (fresh 85) and was putting out 13k dps. Not the highest, I know, but I think that is decent for a simple heroic.
There was a DK tank, fire mage, and feral druid (who was pumping 14-15k dps) so naturally, they were kicking my butt in damage. I get kicked after first boss and have the deserter debuff for 30 mins!! wtf?? Im there doing heroics to get gear so I can pump too. I understand they might want someone for a fast clear, no biggie, but I didnt “abandoned” the group as the debuff says. I was kicked, against my will! I wanted to be there and finish! I dont think this is fair at all.
Like I said, if the group wants a better dps, thats fine, but I dont think I should get a 30min debuff for what the group decides on my fate : / I never kick someone if they have low dps, they are doing the dungeon for a reason.
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Sounds like there is more to this story
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Classic team doesn’t care. Their answer is always, “Just do dungeons with friends or guildies.”
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The debuff is so that people can’t hold groups they don’t like hostage. It’s unfortunate that innocent people get caught in the crossfire, but it takes at least 3 to inconvenience only you, while without deserter it would only take 1 to inconvenience multiple people
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Honestly the story is black and white as I said. But regardless, I dont see how more context to the situation would change anyway. As I said, I dont have grievances with being kicked. If im not pumping in their eyes, thats fine. They can find a better dps. However, I have an issue the 30 min timer saying I “abandoned” the group, when the group decided I wasnt a right fit with them. I think that is wrong, since I did not choose to leave.
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The dungeon cooldown takes care of that. There’s no point holding a group hostage.
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I see how that is a Band-Aid fix to the problem if there is nothing to be done about it. I do have online buddies I can que with, however, sometimes (like now) they were not online and I choose to do a random. IDK, maybe they were a premade, or I shouldve asked them about their day lol
I’m saying you’re right. Getting kicked should not give the dungeon deserter debuff. It didn’t originally. Adding it only empowered toxic trolls.
And people claiming, “If it didn’t, players would demand to be kicked and hold groups hostage!” is utter nonsense. You still get the 15 minute dungeon cooldown. Hell, Blizz could increase that dungeon cooldown to an hour, but have it reset after the last boss in a dungeon is cleared. Or under certain circumstances like everyone in the group leaves or something.
But like usual Blizz takes the lazy, easy way and the system is horribly abused.
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I understand with what youre saying. There should be a common ground tho, for situations like these. To me, it is insane to wait 30 mins (especially a dps - those que times) to que again. Maybe they can do 15 mins instead? IDK. I feel as though I shouldnt be punished for doing nothing wrong aside from not having better gear in this case. Just sucks
You hadn’t heard Breayanna – that has never happened, ever in the entire 20+ years of wow-- well at least one or two trolls will tell you anyway.
I see where it is a case by case situation and it seems impossible to make everyone happy. I guess this is just something people will have to deal with.
I doubt there is more to the story. People kick first, ask questions never. Weak people, leading weak/pathetic lives, get an ounce of power in RDF, and abuse it.
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How often do people get kicked in WoW cata? Accidentally clicked on this forum and the last 3 threads are all about this
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I don’t understand…
Are you saying that if the deserter debuff were removed, that groups could be held hostage, as if the option to kick people would be suddenly gone?
Constantly, for the dumbest of reasons.
Really? That is a bummer, do classic players hate each other or something?
Maybe it is because M+ in my version is different, when you kick someone it means you would rather finish the dungeon with 4 people than play with them. I might see 2 kicks per year and usually it’s because they disconnected for a long time.
There’s no point to a lot of things that annoy other players, but people still do it anyway
And wait around for several minutes for a replacement who for all the remaining group knows will just do the same thing, while the person they kicked just goes on to do it again to the next group?
Well, that’s kind of the point. The more power Blizz gave players to troll other players…gasp they trolled other players more and more. And the more difficult the content became, the most sweaty and toxic the players became. And the Classic team learned none of these lessons and have only made it worse.
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So, first, that doesn’t hold much ground since you have people leaving the group immediately upon noticing it’s Heroic Deadmines, for example, even with the debuff.
Secondly, what you said doesn’t imply “holding a group hostage” lol. Let’s say they refused to even move until they were kicked, the group is no further ahead if they don’t kick then if they had to wait a few minutes for a replacement.
Are you arguing that 1 person is more likely to be trolled by at least 3 other people than a whole group is to be trolled by 1 person?
The group can’t progress the dungeon until the troller’s demands are met. That’s literally holding them hostage