10/30/2018 11:35 AMPosted by
Truckum
10/30/2018 11:26 AMPosted by
Hamstar
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Because difficulty is not what makes content casual. To me it is the ability to log in and do it w/o any hoops attached.
And this is exactly why people say LFR is bad for the game and has mostly killed end game! Players actually attach the tag "hardcore" to anything they cannot que for regardless of how trivial the content actually is. It's actually sad how sheltered and anti-social this generation of players is!
The raiders who only log on twice a week to raid are the anti-social ones. I meet a lot of players running around doing the things I enjoy when I play.
10/30/2018 11:35 AMPosted by
Truckum
10/30/2018 11:26 AMPosted by
Hamstar
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Because difficulty is not what makes content casual. To me it is the ability to log in and do it w/o any hoops attached.
And this is exactly why people say LFR is bad for the game and has mostly killed end game! Players actually attach the tag "hardcore" to anything they cannot que for regardless of how trivial the content actually is. It's actually sad how sheltered and anti-social this generation of players is!
A load of tripe by someone who is just looking for an excuse to bash LFR and people who use it.
10/30/2018 10:10 AMPosted by
Valaire
For many reasons, I and others like me, have become more casual players. We don't all have the time, or desire, to commit to raiding schedules or harder content. We should have the right to complete Storyline quest chains and Normal Achievements by doing Normal content.
I get that Mythics are harder and for that reason should give "better" rewards. But keep Mythic requirements in Mythic quests and achievements. Don't require them for Normal achievements and quest chains. Let the casual player complete things, too!
Quoted for truth. Gating storyline content behind Mythics is not a good idea.
10/30/2018 11:25 AMPosted by
Zoey
Sorry, but M0 is not hard content.
It's not, but some of us don't want to go back in time and wait for dungeon groups to form the old way and some of us actually enjoyed the introduction of the dungeon finder.
Why do you care if it's under "mythic" but you don't care if it's under "heroic"? You say don't call it "mythic" if it's casual, but it is casual if it's called "heroic"? If you're that hung up on the name of it and not the actual difficulty, then the problem is you. The title "heroic" has just been in the game longer and "mythic" is newer. A new name doesn't designate whether it's "casual" or "hardcore".
M0 truly is a very small step above heroic. I'd honestly think it's the same level of difficulty that old heroic dungeons used to be at their appropriate level.
Are you mostly upset because you can't qeue in LFG for it? The group finder is almost always has people looking to do M0's of the mythic only dungeons. Even a lot of them saying "this is my first time, just looking to learn it!".
Well written post that completely missed the entire point the OP was trying to make. It has nothing to do with how easy Mythic+0 dungeons are, or how amazingly easy and "accommodating" the LFD PUG groups may or may not be.
They want to complete the base narrative storyline for their BFA faction. In order for the Alliance to do this they are required to run Siege of Boralus, a Mythic only dungeon. That has two problems i can see, personally.
1.) At no other point whatsoever in the quest chain are you required to participate in organized group content to move forward. It seems unfair to change the rules at the last stage of the quest.
2.) The Horde are not required to complete a Mythic only dungeon to finish their BFA storyline.
I don't understand how this is such an outlandish request for those not interested in organized group content.
10/30/2018 10:12 AMPosted by
Valaire
10/30/2018 10:12 AMPosted by
Snowfox
TBH Mythic0 is still casual content.
That is your opinion, and not necessarily fact. If it's still casual content then don't call it Mythic.
It's the same thing that Diablo 3: Reaper of Souls does for their Greater Rift crap. Your Mythic-0 is still normal difficulty, just like a Greater Rift difficulty of 1 to, say, 15, is still very much within the "Easy" difficulty setting of Diablo 3: Reaper of Souls. Mythic 10 would be equivalent to most people's difficulty in Mythic Raids right now, and in Diablo 3, the equivalent of end-game Greater Rift beyond the available Torment 13 difficulty (which is where your "normal" game modes end) would be akin to Greater Rift 110+.
Mythic-0 = Normal difficulty dungeons. There's no difficulty change, except now, you're running for the Ladder.
Just because it's a mythic difficulty doesn't mean it's not casual.
Being casual means you don't have time to play as much, not that you can't beat hard content.
Mythic 0 is basically heroic where the mechanics just start to kick in. And you canât complete quests in mythic +
Mythic dungeons where always built to be a OPTION for alternate advancement not a requirement. When they put it into the story they made it a requirement, that was not what was sold to us when the mythic idea was given.
I hated when they pulled this junk in Legion and I am not happy to see this return in BFA.
10/30/2018 10:12 AMPosted by
Valaire
10/30/2018 10:12 AMPosted by
Snowfox
TBH Mythic0 is still casual content.
That is your opinion, and not necessarily fact. If it's still casual content then don't call it Mythic.
Arbitrary names and tags are upsetting, I know. I know.
I used to think the same way when I was like.. 15? 13?
10/30/2018 11:45 AMPosted by
Areyden
Why do you care if it's under "mythic" but you don't care if it's under "heroic"? You say don't call it "mythic" if it's casual, but it is casual if it's called "heroic"? If you're that hung up on the name of it and not the actual difficulty, then the problem is you. The title "heroic" has just been in the game longer and "mythic" is newer. A new name doesn't designate whether it's "casual" or "hardcore".
M0 truly is a very small step above heroic. I'd honestly think it's the same level of difficulty that old heroic dungeons used to be at their appropriate level.
Are you mostly upset because you can't qeue in LFG for it? The group finder is almost always has people looking to do M0's of the mythic only dungeons. Even a lot of them saying "this is my first time, just looking to learn it!".
Well written post that completely missed the entire point the OP was trying to make. It has nothing to do with how easy Mythic+0 dungeons are, or how amazingly easy and "accommodating" the LFD PUG groups may or may not be.
They want to complete the base narrative storyline for their BFA faction. In order for the Alliance to do this they are required to run Siege of Boralus, a Mythic only dungeon. That has two problems i can see, personally.
1.) At no other point whatsoever in the quest chain are you required to participate in organized group content to move forward. It seems unfair to change the rules at the last stage of the quest.
2.) The Horde are not required to complete a Mythic only dungeon to finish their BFA storyline.
I don't understand how this is such an outlandish request for those not interested in organized group content.
So are you fine with story quests being in dungeons at all? My point was that everyone is upset with it being in "mythic" but they're fine if they're in regular dungeons or heroics? What's really the difference other than the name?
The OP's post is about not liking them in Mythics. I'm asking how it's any different than putting it in a heroic or normal dungeon?
Normal Mythic is extremely easy...........git gud casual scrub. It's casuals like you who have casualized the game to how bad it is. You just want free fat loots with no work for it.
I don't understand what the problem is, Mythic0s are a yawn fest. If your keyboard and mouse are plugged in and you have managed to turn on your computer and sat down on your chair without falling over then you fit the requirement to complete a Mythic0.
10/30/2018 11:56 AMPosted by
Sean
I don't understand what the problem is, Mythic0s are a yawn fest. If your keyboard and mouse are plugged in and you have managed to turn on your computer and sat down on your chair without falling over then you fit the requirement to complete a Mythic0.
Exactly.
Some people find it difficult to ask in Trade Chat for a group, however, it would appear. Arguably, i'd say I miss that aspect of dungeon group-finding, and I despise LFG/R for taking it away.
Completely disagree with this entire post. Dungeons and raids offer a unique and interactive way for a player to immerse themselves in the lore that just isnt available in the open world. Siege of Orgrimmar was epic (Garrosh was my first mythic endboss downed) and the invasion of storm wind in the secret phase was an amazing storytelling experience. We players who love dungeons and raids deserve our content too, stop being selfish.
Waycrest Manor is a perfect example of how a dungeon enhances the story. Each time you enter a different pathway opens, the rooms and hallways are cramped and feel haunted. Sorry, but if you had your way we would lose a unique aspect of ending/culminating stories with an epic finish. Fighting sargeras was another fantastic fight that I'd lost out on.
It takes like 5 minutes to find an M0 group.
It's probably faster than queuing up for heroic.
10/30/2018 11:56 AMPosted by
Sean
I don't understand what the problem is, Mythic0s are a yawn fest. If your keyboard and mouse are plugged in and you have managed to turn on your computer and sat down on your chair without falling over then you fit the requirement to complete a Mythic0.
Exactly.
Some people find it difficult to ask in Trade Chat for a group, however, it would appear. Arguably, i'd say I miss that aspect of dungeon group-finding, and I despise LFG/R for taking it away.
And that's totally fine, that's why Blizzard added Mythic dungeons.
But don't force everyone to have to do that in order to complete the storyline, some people did not enjoy having to form dungeon groups and for that Blizzard gave us the dungeon finder.
If they made it so you don't have to do Mythic dungeons in order to complete the story, everyone is happy. You have your Mythic dungeons, I have my dungeon finder, and we're all playing this game doing our own thing that we like doing.
10/30/2018 12:01 PMPosted by
Pook
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Exactly.
Some people find it difficult to ask in Trade Chat for a group, however, it would appear. Arguably, i'd say I miss that aspect of dungeon group-finding, and I despise LFG/R for taking it away.
And that's totally fine, that's why Blizzard added Mythic dungeons.
But don't force everyone to have to do that in order to complete the storyline, some people did not enjoy having to form dungeon groups and for that Blizzard gave us the dungeon finder.
If they made it so you don't have to do Mythic dungeons in order to complete the story, everyone is happy. You have your Mythic dungeons, I have my dungeon finder, and we're all playing this game doing our own thing that we like doing.
please dont make me do stuff, stuff is hard
Casual Gamers RISE UP! We will be oppressed no longer!
10/30/2018 12:02 PMPosted by
Sean
10/30/2018 12:01 PMPosted by
Pook
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And that's totally fine, that's why Blizzard added Mythic dungeons.
But don't force everyone to have to do that in order to complete the storyline, some people did not enjoy having to form dungeon groups and for that Blizzard gave us the dungeon finder.
If they made it so you don't have to do Mythic dungeons in order to complete the story, everyone is happy. You have your Mythic dungeons, I have my dungeon finder, and we're all playing this game doing our own thing that we like doing.
please dont make me do stuff, stuff is hard
It's not that it's hard, it's that it's not enjoyable for me specifically. It's totally fine if it's enjoyable for you, more power to you, but I play this game for fun and entertainment, and I'm not going to force myself to do things in it that aren't enjoyable for me. I'd rather just play another game that is enjoyable at that point.