For many reasons, I and others like me, have become more casual players. We don't all have the time, or desire, to commit to raiding schedules or harder content. We should have the right to complete Storyline quest chains and Normal Achievements by doing Normal content.
I get that Mythics are harder and for that reason should give "better" rewards. But keep Mythic requirements in Mythic quests and achievements. Don't require them for Normal achievements and quest chains. Let the casual player complete things, too!
TBH Mythic0 is still casual content.
10/30/2018 10:12 AMPosted by SnowfoxTBH Mythic0 is still casual content.
That is your opinion, and not necessarily fact. If it's still casual content then don't call it Mythic.
lol OP
Perceived difficulty is much different than actual difficulty. Words like mythic trick people into thinking content is more challenging than it really is. IN other words, don't get caught up in appearances, it will actually effect how well you play or even how much you're willing to try.
10/30/2018 10:10 AMPosted by ValaireFor many reasons, I and others like me, have become more casual players. We don't all have the time, or desire, to commit to raiding schedules or harder content. We should have the right to complete Storyline quest chains and Normal Achievements by doing Normal content.
I get that Mythics are harder and for that reason should give "better" rewards. But keep Mythic requirements in Mythic quests and achievements. Don't require them for Normal achievements and quest chains. Let the casual player complete things, too!
I did it as a mythic so it wasn't a big deal to me, but when i first saw that I thought that was really odd too. I'm betting in a later patch they will drop it down to heroic and drop it in LFG.
10/30/2018 10:10 AMPosted by ValaireFor many reasons, I and others like me, have become more casual players. We don't all have the time, or desire, to commit to raiding schedules or harder content. We should have the right to complete Storyline quest chains and Normal Achievements by doing Normal content.
I get that Mythics are harder and for that reason should give "better" rewards. But keep Mythic requirements in Mythic quests and achievements. Don't require them for Normal achievements and quest chains. Let the casual player complete things, too!
What is wrong with asking you to get better or have a use for the gear you are getting rewarded rather easily? Regular Mythic isn't exactly difficult, like.... AT ALL! Not even much of a time investment.
10/30/2018 10:13 AMPosted by ComedyPerceived difficulty is much different than actual difficulty. Words like mythic trick people into thinking content is more challenging than it really is. IN other words, don't get caught up in appearances, it will actually effect how well you play or even how much you're willing to try.
Then don't call it Mythic. Keep it under normal or heroic. And remember, you can't queue LFG for a mythic dungeon. That is an annoyance and makes it even less likely I will want to try it.
10/30/2018 10:12 AMPosted by SnowfoxTBH Mythic0 is still casual content.
Maybe, but that is a personal opinion.
But it is not available through the auto grouping tools (LFD, LFR), which are used by the "casuals" who do not have the time or inclination to have to apply to and "be invited" (or rejected) by another player (the group leader).
Hence it should not be a part of normal quest chains.
Let me guess, it's the Mythic dungeon weekly that rewards heroic raid loot.
Mythic 0 is only a tiny bit harder than Heroic and the biggest difference is that you make your own group and travel there.
Mythic 0 is only a tiny bit harder than Heroic and the biggest difference is that you make your own group and travel there.
10/30/2018 10:12 AMPosted by SnowfoxTBH Mythic0 is still casual content.
Difficulty is not what makes content casual.
10/30/2018 10:16 AMPosted by Aarschott10/30/2018 10:12 AMPosted by SnowfoxTBH Mythic0 is still casual content.
Maybe, but that is a personal opinion.
I mean sure, since 'casual and hardcore' aren't actually things... anyone can claim something is or isn't casual or hardcore.
I'm really just pointing out that Mythic0 can be done in all blues. It's the -start- of the mythic chain. A mythic0, imho, is about the same difficulty level as a heroic.
10/30/2018 10:15 AMPosted by Valaire10/30/2018 10:13 AMPosted by ComedyPerceived difficulty is much different than actual difficulty. Words like mythic trick people into thinking content is more challenging than it really is. IN other words, don't get caught up in appearances, it will actually effect how well you play or even how much you're willing to try.
Then don't call it Mythic. Keep it under normal or heroic. And remember, you can't queue LFG for a mythic dungeon. That is an annoyance and makes it even less likely I will want to try it.
So what you are saying is the social aspects of them are keeping you out and not the actual difficulty? Sounds like a "you" problem and not a Blizzard one!
Mythic is the new hamster wheel, so of course they're going to push it on everyone.
10/30/2018 10:16 AMPosted by MelaroiLet me guess, it's the Mythic dungeon weekly that rewards heroic raid loot.
Mythic 0 is only a tiny bit harder than Heroic and the biggest difference is that you make your own group and travel there.
I am a casual player. My guild is my own personal guild. I gave up being in large guilds and raiding a few expansions ago, with the exception of some raiding I did with my friend's guild in Legion. Which only reinforced to me that I was not into it any more. I don't want to spend time forming groups for something I don't want to do in the first place.
If all the other parts of the Storyline and Achievement require Normal content, then they all should! Keep Mythic requirements for the Mythic Achievements!
And this has nothing to do with the Mythic dungeon weekly. I was 2/3 of the way completing a Normal Achievement but the last part requires a Mythic dungeon. Ridiculous.
10/30/2018 10:16 AMPosted by Aarschott10/30/2018 10:12 AMPosted by SnowfoxTBH Mythic0 is still casual content.
Maybe, but that is a personal opinion.
But it is not available through the auto grouping tools (LFD, LFR), which are used by the "casuals" who do not have the time or inclination to have to apply to and "be invited" (or rejected) by another player (the group leader).
Hence it should not be a part of normal quest chains.
God forbid someone has to be slightly social and get into non group finder runs in an MMORPG.
So.. if they add Mythic0 to LFD.. then suddenly it's casual content instead?
I'm not sure that's how that works.
I'm not sure that's how that works.
10/30/2018 10:17 AMPosted by SnowfoxI'm really just pointing out that Mythic0 can be done in all blues. It's the -start- of the mythic chain. A mythic0, imho, is about the same difficulty level as a heroic.
Pretty much. Mythic 0 is the old Heroic difficulty, just like Mythic raids are the old Heroic Raids.
Some history:
-In WOD they wanted to create a minimum skill level requirement for Heroic. So they required you to get silver in Proving Grounds to be able to queue for Heroic dungeons. People complained about it constantly all expansion so they decided to go with something different in Legion.
-Normal dungeons became flexible leveling dungeons with the new scaling tech. The normal dungeons that you'd see at max level before you were geared enough to do the Heroic dungeons were renamed Heroic and the Heroic ones were renamed Mythic 0.
There is nothing different between a Mythic 0 and the Heroic dungeons of past times. If anything they are far easier than Heroic dungeons were in Cataclysm and on par with Heroics in MoP and WoD.
I feel like it gives an easier to enter end game group content aspect to the experience.
I know what you mean, OP. If you're talking about the Siege of Boralus requirement, it's not really that bad. I'm casual at this point also (no interest in raiding or dungeons of any kind, really, after 14 years of it). I did it and it wasn't that bad. Wiped a few times but that was early on. Now that people are basically overgeared for M+0 content I imagine it would be a cakewalk with any pug.