Keep getting kicked in gamma dungeons

[Redheadchild-kul-tiras (Redheadchild)]

@Amideus-dunemaul

Yes, I clearly don’t play the game.

I never said you dont play the game. I said most people who agree with him are busy playing the game, and thus, not active on these forums.

[Redheadchild-kul-tiras (Redheadchild)]

@Jeynar-mannoroth

I don’t care

So you dont care about facts. Got it.

[Koish-whitemane]

@Redheadchild-kul-tiras

Blizzard themselves have said they are not gamma dungeons. They give the same emblems/scorgestones/etc as a gamma, but they are not a gamma.

If you queue for a random Gamma dungeon and get the ICC dungeons, you got a gamma dungeon.

Stop being pedantic.

It’s in the queue like a gamma, it rewards like a gamma, it’s a gamma.

[Jeynar-mannoroth]

@Redheadchild-kul-tiras

So you dont care about facts.

I don’t care about your semantics crap.

They’re queued for as Gamma dungeons, one of them is even the most commonly run Gamma dungeon cause it triggers a Gamma only quest. It is de facto a Gamma dungeon.

[Amideus-dunemaul]

@Deunan-atiesh

The difference in the type of dungeon does relate to this thread.

If the issue is being kicked from Gamma content, then using the ICC heroics to get the same Ilvl upgrades and stones/currency is a viable work around for not meeting some ones inane GS requirement when using RDF for a gamma. By using the ICC dungeons which drop gamma level loot and currency you can hopefully avoid sweat lords who only care about GS.

That is a different argument than “Heroic ICC dungeons are not gammas”. And I made the point already that you can queue for them in both Gamma LFD and directly by dungeon, the problem is you can run LFD indefinitely, you can only run heroics directly one time. A point I made that you ignored. Also, that still doesn’t address that kicking players for arbitrary gearscore requirements is inherently wrong and a negative experience that shouldn’t be happening.

@Deunan-atiesh

I have zero issue admitting fault or being incorrect. It is how we learn and grow. In this case however I am not wrong.

You are incapable of walking away from a pointless argument. That’s the problem. You HAVE to be right and make it everyone else’s problem even when you’re wrong in every sense that matters.

@Deunan-atiesh

I do care, I do not find it as pervasive and as common as some claim in this thread but I do know it happens. I offered a potential solution and was called pedantic and insulted. The persons in this thread who refuse to admit their fault or incorrect takes do not include me in this instance. I have not once been insulting, nor have I shown any indignity in my posts here.

And yet other people do. I’ve seen vote kicks at the start of dungeons more often than I think is reasonable too. Last night a guildie with 5400 Gearscore as a healer was kicked from a group because the tank kept pulling repeatedly while the healer was oom. Another guildie in the group reported that eventually that tank got kicked too. This is a thing that happens. And it is a problem, and as long as anecdotal evidence is equal across the board, there’s not much of a point saying “Oh well I don’t see it as often” versus someone that experiences it saying “I see it all the time.”

@Deunan-atiesh

Save your vitriol, be better, and have a nice day.

Apparently vitriol is just disagreeing with you.

[Amideus-dunemaul]

@Redheadchild-kul-tiras

I never said you dont play the game. I said most people who agree with him are busy playing the game, and thus, not active on these forums.

Which is something you’ve just made up and has no basis in reality. Who knows which side most players would agree on that are playing the game and not on the forums. But so far I’ve been called out for my post count as if I spend all my time on the forums and not playing the game. Despite the fact my account is from 2004 (although I get not all forum posts count from before the forum rework).

[Deunan-atiesh]

@Amideus-dunemaul

You are incapable of walking away from a pointless argument. That’s the problem. You HAVE to be right and make it everyone else’s problem even when you’re wrong in every sense that matters.

This will be the second time this thread I walk away from a pointless argument then, as nobody here is working towards any kind of solution or potential work around and would rather shout insults and throw tantrums.

@Amideus-dunemaul

Apparently vitriol is just disagreeing with you.

Apparently pedantry is just disagreeing with you. As for vitriol, you are the one who began this with insults and a lot of assumptions of me as a person which are all incorrect. I have asserted myself as someone who does not kick based on GS previously in this thread, yet you come at me as if I was an enemy.

I think we can both amicably just stop talking to each other now. You seem very intent on shouting people down instead of actually having a discussion. I have you on ignore just in case you get wrapped up in needing the last word.

Be better.

[Amideus-dunemaul]

@Deunan-atiesh

This will be the second time this thread I walk away from a pointless argument then, as nobody here is working towards any kind of solution or potential work around and would rather shout insults and throw tantrums.

I have provided plenty of solutions. Restrict the vote to kick option, punish players that abuse it, up the ilvl requirement for gamma is that is really too low, remove the leaver penalty from getting vote kicked. Plenty of solutions being worked towards, just not for your side of the argument.

@Deunan-atiesh

Apparently pedantry is just disagreeing with you. As for vitriol, you are the one who began this with insults and a lot of assumptions of me as a person which are all incorrect. I have asserted myself as someone who does not kick based on GS previously in this thread, yet you come at me as if I was an enemy.

You need to reread my posts. I never used the word pedantry or pedantic. I did not start by insulting you, unless of course you consider me pointing out what arguing semantics means is insulting. You insulted the intelligence of others in this thread LONG before I insulted yours, and I have never once claimed that you are someone that kicks others for gearscore, that would be the warlock. You seem to be confusing all of the people that don’t agree with you into one big amalgamation to argue against.

@Deunan-atiesh

I think we can both amicably just stop talking to each other now. You seem very intent on shouting people down instead of actually having a discussion. I have you on ignore just in case you get wrapped up in needing the last word.

I made plenty of reasonable points in the same post you quoted from. You ignored all those points to focus on the stuff you didn’t like. I’m not here to hold your hand or treat you like a child. It’s also really funny you need to vocalize that you’re putting people on ignore when talking about the last word. You know who does that? People that want the conversation to end but are too insecure to just walk away on their own.

[Koish-whitemane]

@Deunan-atiesh

I have you on ignore just in case you get wrapped up in needing the last word.

Be better.

Isn’t that literally what you just did though? Even put the guy on ignore before coming in to say your piece.

[Amideus-dunemaul]

@Koish-whitemane

Isn’t that literally what you just did though? Even put the guy on ignore before coming in to say your piece.

It’s the argument equivalent of taking your ball and going home. It doesn’t matter anyway. He didn’t make any actual points, he was cherry picking posts, and he even just straight up didn’t pay attention to who said what. It’s not important, we’re better off with him ignoring us.

[Deunan-atiesh]

@Amideus-dunemaul

Ignored content

I do not wish to interact with you or your attitude further.

Same goes for the Druid regurgitating your same points.

[Aurelios-ravenholdt]

@Amideus-dunemaul

Despite the fact my account is from 2004 (although I get not all forum posts count from before the forum rework).

Logged on to my original main from back in Wrath just to see what the forums say about my total posts. I actually have no idea what it’ll say since the whole forums changed and I know I posted a lot back in the day.

Edit: Looks like it’s a clean slate 1 post (this one) and everyone before the rework is gone.

[Koish-whitemane]

@Deunan-atiesh

I do not wish to interact with you or your attitude further.

Same goes for the Druid regurgitating your same points.

You have no arguement but you come in here again wanting the last word.

That’s… sad.

[Amideus-dunemaul]

@Koish-whitemane

You have no arguement but you come in here again wanting the last word.

That’s… sad.

And what is even funnier is he just quoted me as “ignored content” which is absolutely not how that works. He had to physically open my post that was automatically hidden, quote out some section, then manually replace it with that line. That’s a whole lot of effort for someone that doesn’t care about me or the last word.

Maybe I should move, living rent free in his head it seems.

[Koish-whitemane]

It’s very twitter-esque behavior.

Accuse others of what you yourself are guilty of ie. “I have you on ignore just in case you get wrapped up in needing the last word.”

Blocking and getting the last word/talking behind someone’s back ie. After blocking proceed to stay and keep talking about a person who can no longer interact because of the block.

[Amideus-dunemaul]

It’s insecurity. They can’t deal with someone that doesn’t bow down to their viewpoint and makes consistent arguments back at them they cannot address, so they have to pretend to be strong while acting weak.

The only thing that gets to me in this thread is the attitude of some that they can exert this control over what others get to do and play the game, that they are the arbiters of judgement. The glee in kicking players from dungeons and being this control free is scary, because I doubt that behavior stops at this game.

[Koish-whitemane]

Since we’ve derailed and gone off track, I’ll try to bring us back on track.

The whole argument is that Gamma’s are too hard and you need to be better geared for them, go to normal ICC dungeons. But here’s the catch

They are, for all intents and purposes, Gamma’s. Nobody wants to admit it, for some reason, but they are.

Let’s say 4 people, maybe even a premade want their daily gamma dungeon done with fast, Lil Timmy is doing what these people suggest and queues up for Heroic FoS to gear up. They’ll be pedantic and say it’s not a gamma it’s just a normal Heroic, but for the 4 other guys who queued for a random Gamma, do you honestly believe they’ll think “Well, it’s just a normal Heroic let’s not be too harsh on this guy who’s showing up with 3720 GS.”

Chances are, they’ll go “lol, 3720 GS gear up scrub” and kick because they’ll slow down their daily gamma run.

Most people who get the ICC dungeons did so via Gamma roulette, so to them they are queueing for a Gamma with Gamma expectations.

Their whole argument of “go gear up with normal heroic ICC” falls apart when they are treated like gammas, because they effectively are.

[Scentsy-faerlina]

The solution to getting kicked from dungeons for being undergeared is to… post on the forums I guess. Anything but gearing up

[Koish-whitemane]

I’ve never been kicked, but thanks for not contributing. Troll.

[Scentsy-faerlina]

Contributing to what? A thesis on a problem that’s solved by playing the game more? Save your think pieces for Medium or Substack or something