Are you willing to hear from others that your idea might be a bad one?
Here’s the thing. and I think you may suffer from this as well. People don’t tend to “share” ideas… no, they birth them! So, instead of accepting feedback that the idea may not be a good one, the defend it to the end. They accept nothing short of complete acceptance of their idea and believe everyone should love it as much as they do.
That is the problem with people who don’t share a lot of ideas… they love it, regardless of its actual merits.
Then for that to happen, you would have to team up only with people of your own server.
Go on and list anything on the LFG tool, give it an hour or two and see how many people there are from your same/shared realm. You’ll be lucky to find a single one. Why does this happen? Because something you just mentioned, not everyone has a group, guild, or friends to play with at all times. If you pug as much as you say you do for as long as you say you did you understand this.
Try having a 60+ hour week odd shift job and run a progression core team. You can’t, that’s why LFG was invented. To apply something like a reliable karma system, you would first need to know said person to make your own judgement. IN. A. MMO. Lol.
The amount of people, all of them with different personalities, current mood and whatever, always impact the gameplay. Should, let’s say, John the Tauren was half asleep and about to go to bed, but a friend asked him to que up for a raid spot since he was low ilv, but John’s was extremely over the requirement made it easier for them to join together. They get into the raid but turns out the friend sucks, really hard. Who do you think the raid is going to turn against to? Who do you legit think, in a premade group will decide to burn for the friend mistakes?
Now John the Tauren has to deal with a low karma score and is now damned to just run lfg and heroic dungeons.
There’s never an accountable or any form of procedure to really messure a person “karma” without looking into it over long periods of times and even then, you have to put in doubt the judge’s vote, considering he could have just been mad because they depleted the key or the guy had one last pull before work or whatever.
See but you were talking about pugging content higher that LFG and LFR. Now you are switching it around to fit into this narrative. If you are pugging LFG and LFR then most people don’t care enough to look at your ilvl unless you are being terrible. You can say I am wrong but that would be a lie.
Actually my brother had a 60+ hour a week job and did progression so it is possible if you stick to 1 character. And he has a family.
It was an example why LFG was invented, not how the LFG tool works and grats on your brother. Sadly, not everyone lives in the exact same circumstances and have the exact same understading people to raid with. An exception does not make a norm.
EDIT: Yeah, now that i carefully read the thread and all the feedback you’ve received, you’re not willing to discuss. Just want people to embrace your idea just because it sounds good in your head. For a moment, i thought we could discuss why this whole thing hasn’t been implemented yet.
I understand not everyone in WoW is my brother but you cant deny that people just generally don’t care what your gear is or your experience is unless the group wipes several times. As a group member pugging its your job to ensure that doesn’t happen. Some times its not in our control and sometimes it is. That is the social contract we all sign playing an MMO.
Then engage yours, and try on some critical thinking. We can’t just think our way out of a stranger’s judgment call on another stranger entirely devoid of the judgment call’s context.
It’s like pointing to a random Yelp review about a bad waiter and asking you, right now, a thousand miles away, to tell me whether or not that was fair, when there are no other reviews out there that name the waiter in question.
Just make it so once a hour you can give someone who you like a small buff (lasts 1 hour) that up’s their RNG chances a tiny bitt. Make it stackable up to 10.
So when you meet cool people you can give them the buff. And guilds can also stack buffs on their great players and feel like they have some ability to help gear them once more.
It’s a really simple system that encourages people to be kind to one another.
How about I engage yours instead. Using your example of a yelp review, I see something downvoted, I am first going to see how long ago the review was made and if there was a long standing pattern. If the last bad review was over a year ago then I would say something is different. Instead of following the herd and stating everything you think is wrong with this system, how about you engage your brain and think of ways that this system might be good and what would make it good. I am not the one that cant see both sides of the fence here. If someone were to give me a reason besides a half baked “this is terrible” answer that would change my position on this then that is fine. If I seem dismissive that is just because I know the community of WoW always over reacts to new ideas. Over half of the Legion features, were suggestions I made years ago. Some of my ideas made it into the game and some haven’t. Will this one? Probably not but the point isn’t to talk about how this is all good or all bad. The point is to debate it from both sides so that Blizzard can see why this might be good in one area and not so good in another. Ultimately the decision for something like this rests on them but the point is to just talk about it. I don’t care if this is implemented or not. I am here to debate the issues surrounding it logically if I can. If not then the simple answer is to change my stance on what is acceptable in my idea. I already threw out the downvote idea. After that most arguments fell through.
As much as I would love to continue this though, I have to get ready for work. Thanks for the feedback.
Any kind of karma or rating system would be abused in this game. Say you were in a dungeon with a fresh leveled player and someone saw they were doing low dps according to their parser addon. They would say something about how terrible they are and would downvote the person in every thing even stuff not related to dps.
Wrong, I’ve, thankfully, never had the displeasure of speaking to or encountering him at any time in the game. But judging by the people, like you, who worship him I can guess just how ‘funny’ he is.