Man, this thread’s gotten exhausting to read. ![:confused:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/confused.png?v=6" ":confused:")
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On the other hand, it’s often observed that the Alliance only wins when the Horde fights itself. The first time is when MU Gul’dan pulled himself and his people from the main Horde effort to go artifact hunting in the Broken Isles. and then of course their is the Siege of Ogrimmar which the Alliance wins only with the help of a rebel Horde faction.
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We are not looking at the game from a “Watsonian” perspective, this argument doesn’t even work from a Watsonian perspective since nobody in universe is going to argue about a potential story arc.
However, having said that, if all you are trying to do is argue that it’s harder to write an aggressive Alliance, even though that isn’t what you said in any of your prior posts. So what? It’s harder. It’s doable and so far your only criticisms of the idea have been either entitled or ridiculous.
As for your final note. If that were true I would have called you names hours ago when this started. I called you princess because apparently you’re too precious to read criticisms without feeling like someone is ‘driving you off.’
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So here is where you start to intimate that i should leave the discussion as I am not “contributing”.
And here is one of my first posts of the day! Look it shows that I allow for the possibility! What do I call it? Impractical, not impossible. And cite the structural factors I have elaborated on as evidence.
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Don’t bother Saiphas. This is how Dorcy/Fondant/Roghter has always been. There’s no point in engaging.
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On the topic of Gallywix and his economic warfare, I actually tossed around a silly idea to my guildmates when the inevitable “Gallywix for Warchief?” discussion came up. I thought it would be amusing if, in Gallywix’s version of the war campaign, you infiltrated Stormwind and posted dozens of knockoff flasks, materials, what have you, to screw with the Alliance economy, and Alliance players would actually see listings like “Flask of Really Good Strength” or “High-Quality Ore-like Material” (probably as greys to make clear they’re not real items) but just as a fun way to illustrate his brand of warfare.
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I guess the question on efficacy boils down to how interconnected WoW trade is. My impression is that the Horde and Alliance do not have significant inter-faction trade other than what was done re:Durotar-NE. The loss of which would already have been felt. Making economic warfare work would be more along the lines of privateering and other 16th century commerce raiding activities, rather than shortselling or bad products.
It’s supposed to be a joke. After all, everything the Goblins do, including dying, is comedic.
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Fair, sorry Jellex, my bad >.>
I think this thread ended up getting a bit too aggressive anyway.
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Heh >.> <.< insert diatribe 5497 about why I dislike the faction war.
You mean, this is where you jump to a conclusion and act affronted rather than address the issue straight on. Thus proving me right when I say you’re wasting time.
And this is where your assertion jumps track from something being “impractical” for “reasons” to being “unworkable” for “reasons.”
So, I guess I’m sorry I didn’t notice what you had said prior to engaging with me. I shall amend.
If your only position is that it’s impractical, why are you saying it’s unworkable? Are these two words synonymous to you?
And this is the second time that Ershan actually tries to restrict your conversation. And yet you seem to not act affronted… almost as if the accusation itself was an affectation.
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As I am sure you are aware Roghter, tone and direction matter. Ershan is not directing his ire at me, but rather at you, apparently how you conduct yourself is pretty standard, as not just one but a couple have piped up to that effect.
You also know as well as I do that your characterizations of me are meant both to demean and belittle. Stating things like “I am wasting time” or “I am not contributing” is meant to imply that others should not engage and that my points have zero worth, in effect isolating and walling off the conversation.
Lastly, the basic concept of having an aggressive alliance start the war is impracticle, but possible. That it can be done is possible, but requires significant effort to accomplish. What was unworkable was your rewriting the entire institutional structure of the Alliance to accommodate your hypothetical. Your specific version of it (the use of humans to create an evil antagonistic human empire which everyone can gang up on) is what is unworkable, because you are again, only looking at things as to what protagonizes the Horde.
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Wow, has this thread gone places.
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The Alliance goal was to depose Sylvanas, not destroy Lordaeron.
They failed to do that. And they failed what would have been the secondary goal of capturing Lordaeron because Sylvanas denied them that.
How is this a win for the Alliance?
Though I also see the killing of Rastakhan labeled as an Alliance victory when the intent is to capture him to keep the Zandalari from joining the Horde. Ironically, forcing the Zandalari to fully commit to the Horde.
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Trying to bring it back to the OP again: The Night Elves are never going to get revenge beyond a stalemate in Darkshore. Even if revenge were within actual reach, Alliance values would stay their hand. They cannot and will not be allowed to do anything beyond defend their lands (withed mixed results).
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Yeah, I’ve got a gift I guess.
That’s a good idea. I guess it amounts to what your requirements are for ‘revenge’ and ‘spotlight.’
Night Elves are going to get plenty of ‘spotlight’ in the Darkshore Warfront. But it’s a warfront, it will not gain them anything or cost the Horde anything.
The primary objective was to force the Neutrality of Zandalar, this is true and the Alliance does not accomplish this objective.
However, the second and tertiery objectives, destroying significant portions of the Golden Fleet and the Zandalari’s ability to wage war have been damaged, to the point that they Join the Horde out of a security necessity per Talanji’s own dialogue.
In effect, the Alliance removed the original reason the Horde even came to Zandalar in the first place. To her credit, Sylvanas uses this opportunity to incorporate Zandalar willingly into the Horde Structure.
and plus no one cares about a damn warfront in a permanent stalemate.
You’re the guy who started the thread. Did you ever provide your minimum standard for “revenge?”
i did actually it is a few pages above.
spoiler:you wouldn’t like it.
Don’t worry about me. You’re the one whose going to have to deal with the answer to your question being “never” by weight of your demands being too strenuous.
So your minimum requirement for believing the Kaldorei have gotten revenge is nuking every city?