There’s a third option.
Ban every player who bought gold in classic permanently.
Then you can skip entirely on one and two.
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Actually saying no to tokens is insane. Tokens alone would stop so much gold selling it would be great. Just because I don’t buy gold or you don’t buy gold from sketchy websites don’t mean thousands of people don’t.
No one I can even remember had 100,000 gold. And if they did, it was the rarest of people. But here we are in tbc classic where people are buying a single item in a raid for 40k gold…
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How do you accomplish that exactly? How do you determine who buys gold? Consider how much is in supply, that guild banks currently do not exist and so bank alts will have large sums of gold being transferred in and out, that GDKPs are a common way for thousands of gold to change hands in trades (in extreme cases anywhere from 40k to 70k at once).
Say you do manage to find out who is buying gold with a high degree of accuracy, how do you permanently ban them in today’s day and age? Sure you can close the account permanently, but then they can just make another. You could try an IP ban, but you can’t toss a rock these days without hitting a VPN service that offers their service for cheap. Do you ban VPNs? If so you might be locking out legitimate players who use VPNs for other reasons.
If they do they will most certainly introduce it later in the X-Pac. They are well aware these changes are controversial and will be attempting to space them out just far enough that the fervor dies down between change
even if it did combat at it all, it would just be switching who the seller is. zero sense.
It also changes who the buyer is. People buy tokens with gold to purchase game time.
Have you seen how many millions of gold are available for illegal purchase on every single server? Stop being so naive. The token will help clean up the toxicity you are clearly unaware of.
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This is Blizzard’s problem to fix, not mine.
I appreciate your long and well thought out post full of hypotheticals, but my answer is still the same.
People get banned for AFK’ing in bgs. It is impossible for me to believe they can’t get the gold buyers.
If the penalty was harsh enough and frequent enough, the gold buying would stop.
Did you think this through? AFK in BG is easily verified, they are monitoring key strokes. I’m going to challenge you on this, if you want to be taken any way seriously then you really need to think through what is realistic in the solution that you are going to champion.
“It’s blizzards problem” is silly, if it’s impossible it’s impossible. Expecting it to just happen because it isn’t your problem is only going to result in disappointment for you.
As for the penalty being harsh and frequent enough? Well, that’s just not how the world actually works, and Blizzard can’t really do anything all that harsh, like I said, it’s impossible to permanently ban, and at most they are causing you a bit of loss of money and a loss of time
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please form coherent thoughts before responding to me thanks
So banning gold buyers is impossible, just because you say so.
More hyperbole. I don’t care if you take me seriously or not. It’s not impossible to permanently ban someone. It happens, though not nearly frequently enough.
Re read what I said. It’s really easy. I don’t need a 4,000 word post to drive the point home.
Blizzard has access to technology to ban gold buyers. The proof is that people have received light punishments in classic for doing it, usually having the gold stripped from them.
So instead of that, they should just lock those accounts. Period. Thanks for your talk of impossibility and threatening to not take me seriously-but it seems to me the infrastructure for banning gold buyers for good exists.
If it happens, the deterrent becomes far stronger than people are willing to risk.
I’ll try to simplify for you.
- I buy a token
- I sell the token on the AH
- A Player buys the token with gold, then uses the token to buy a month of game time.
- I have his gold, he plays the game for free. Nobody gets hurt.
The current system consists of bots and farmers accumulating tens of millions of gold on every server. This gold is illegally purchased by MANY more people than you think. The token is a much better option.
yet again your second sentence has absolutely nothing to do with your 1st list. RMT is absolutely a problem. what does token change? players are buying gold from blizzard AND cheaper gold selling websites instead of just the gold selling websites.
it does nothing to combat botting. nothing to combat RMT. in fact it legalizes RMT. even though its basically legal now since blizzard doesnt enforce it. its really simple, ban gold buyers and sellers. thats the solution.
I have a sneaking suspicion that, if the token is introduced, Blizzard will suddenly figure out how to combat botters in Classic. At least much better than they have.
There’s a guy on reddit (Zud - look him up) who has leaked a lot about Classic TBC. He said the recent ban wave was specifically because they are introducing the token.
Tokens will significantly harm the black market gold sellers. They want USD, not WOW bucks.
Gold buying and selling is already worthy of a ban, yet millions are bought and sold every day. You clearly have no idea how easy the process is. You sound like Nancy… rather than deal with the problem, tell them to “just say no”.
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I’ve given you strong points as to why it’s impossible, you have just chosen to ignore them.
So why don’t you explain what exactly permanently locking those accounts will do to stop the problem?
Yeah… Token will do it.
The token de-values gold hurting everyone playing the game. It makes the cost of some items out of reach for people who wish to earn gold by PLAYING THE VIDEO GAME instead of spending real world money.
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havent in retail
enforce it
ban them
This is objectively false. The money never leaves the economy. It goes from one player (who wants to play for free) to another player in the same economy. Retail has tokens and most items are dirt cheap.
No you haven’t. You just said that it’s impossible, which is flat out inconsistent with punishments handed out to various players over the years.[quote=“Ederick-ashkandi, post:35, topic:983531”]
So why don’t you explain what exactly permanently locking those accounts will do to stop the problem
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I already have. You are the one who is choosing to ignore posts. You think you’re arguing with me. You aren’t. You are flailing about on the forums defending blizzard’s inaction regarding gold buyers.