Because a forum is here to talk about stuff
1 Like
So talk about something useful or interesting
Nope separate servers or players will riot. Layering to separate the two is a horrible idea given the layering issues that surfaced during the closed beta/stress tests. For those of you who don’t like TBC/Wrath due to flying then you can stay on Classic.
IMO you can’t remove flying from TBC/Wrath since many of the areas/zones in that game are unreachable without it for one, and the 2nd reason is #NO CHANGES. It works both ways y’all. You don’t want features added/removed to/from Classic?? Cool…then don’t mess with my flying in TBC/Wrath.
1 Like
You dont seem to understand but this is fine, a tbc layer change nothing to the classic layer because they are 2 different game and world. +tbc realm starting at level 1 is not blizzlike the way a expac was release. Just less confusing for the backend at blizzard side but change nothing for us because you will keep your classic character and have the same realm.
On the contrary, I saw plenty of problems with layering when it was initially introduced so yes I know what I’m talking about. Using layering to change the game world between Classic and TBC just isn’t feasible to do without people finding a way to abuse it somehow. And at no point did I say you had to start at level 1 that is what OTHERS have said to keep it fair since players could just stockpile tons of resources before swapping over and drastically affecting the economy on TBC. I am much more in favor of either a transfer or a one time only char copy to prevent abuse to quickly acquire lots of gold from multiple copying
This a one time layer transfert in talking about, you cant exploit that.
Let’s say that we go ahead with your proposal and use layering to do a one time only transfer from Classic to TBC. How then will you be able to help your friends that go to whisper you asking for your help to go do something on Classic? How would you be able to do that? You can’t cause you already swapped over. Now let’s play out that same scenario with my idea of separate servers…you log off of one and swap back to Classic, and boom you can now help them out and get whatever they needed help with accomplished. Layering is a dumb idea
yea, im kinda with you. The idea of classic+ is intriguing, but it seems like it could go very wrong, very easily, while bc servers would be a certain hit.
When you choose ‘’ Classic ‘’ in the battle.net laucher you will be log into the Stalagg Classic layer with your pre copied character.
I wasnt asking I am taking
In my case, layering is just a server into a server, to make thing less confusing instead of having Stalagg Classic, Stalagg tbc, Stalagg wotlk in the realm selection.
Hmm ok…what about when your char on the TBC side of the game is say level 65. Do you not realize how game breaking that would be to pop back into Classic above level 60? Oh lemme guess you want them to scale down your level and gear like in time walking. Sorry but your idea just sucks all the way around because it would require a LOT more work on the back end versus just keeping separate servers. It’s MUCH cheaper and takes far less time and resources
Yes, TBC is a “no brainer” as it will take much less effort to “kick out the door” than Classic did, as Classic did the nearly all of the work already. And most of TBC’s information exists “in the modern format” something which wasn’t true for Classic.
Classic+ is a high risk/unknown reward scenario, but they can make a guess based on the reception Classic has when paired with what happens to numbers over time.
Honestly I think that’s one where Classic+ really become “Vanilla 2.0” making full use of tech they’ve developed in the intervening years, in particular phasing and party sync from 8.2.5(a feature that is only about 11 years overdue).
That they are working on Party Sync now has me strongly suspecting that they’re at least considering my “hybrid” option that I’ve been going on about periodically for nearly a year now. In which case “Classic+” ends up being rolled into retail as another play option. I’ll be very interested in seeing what they do with the next Expansion Pack at this point.
People also need to keep in mind another common phrase that comes up with regards to Classic+, it is not that people aren’t interested in such content. It is that “they don’t trust Blizzard” and as such are highly skeptical of such an undertaking.
“We don’t trust Blizzard” is not the same thing as “We don’t want it.” So it really boils down to how much a person trusts Blizzard to be able to pull it off, I think they can do so, so long as the right people are involved, and the right design philosophies are given primacy.
Your classic character stay in classic at the level he was before the copying, you cant level 65 in tbc and transfert back to classic. but your level 60 still exist in the classic layer! To be honest for blizzard its way easier to make layer on the same server hardware, keep in mind that tbc will not have 4000+ pop per realm so no need of a full new server hardware just for that.
It is, and that’s why you let the game designers do their thing and try to not to cave in to what the players want. With the exception of when the game designers start doing things that the players absolutely do not want.
This is one for the “You think you do, but you don’t” file. Such as flying mounts, instant teleportation to dungeons with LFG, etc.
I don’t know why you guys are getting worked up about Classic Servers migrating to TBC. I think it’s pretty obvious that they won’t do that.
Classic realms will stay as museums forever. If they ever create TBC or WOTLK servers, they’ll be brand new museums with paid character transfers after a certain phase (at least for WOTLK, because they had achievements for server firsts.)
Way too many people coming back for Classic DO NOT want to leave Classic for TBC. They would be shooting themselves in the foot…
1 Like
Sorry but I’m going to agree to disagree. You have no idea just how many people prefer one particular expansion over another. Literally tens of millions of players have unsubbed over the last 15 years from one expac to the next, so your argument about lower pop on any particular server/expac is invalid. That is your opinion of what it MIGHT be. If you are unwilling to accept that it’s cheaper and easier to run separate servers then so be it. I’ve already given several examples that justify it so trying to say anything else would be like talking to a brick wall. Lots of people in other threads are discussing separate servers and the majority are fine with it so long as nobody is forced to upgrade from one expac to the next. I’m not going to further discuss this subject with you as it’s a waste of time and energy
That why my layer way with character copying is the best way to keep the classic server version untoutch forever.
1 Like
The biggest problem Ion and the current Dev team have is they have been doing a LOT of “Design by Player Metrics” work, which works well when you’re having to justify what you’re doing to a finance department.
But when you don’t understand what the metrics mean rather than what they indicate you’re going to create a steaming turd. Which is how you get to the point that BfA did.
“People are spending a lot of time doing ____ that must mean they like it!”
"But why are they spending a lot of time doing that?
“Doesn’t matter, that they’re doing ____ regularly must mean they like it.”
While character copies would be incredible, I think they’ll take the lazy route and make one-way paid transfers at most…