I guess maybe they rationalized it so hard that they kind of bought into their own hype. The mindset of being part of a group where everyone is crusading for something has its own kind of draw, as well.
I don’t really get it, though. I mean–the very next sentence after Ion’s ‘The Horde is waiting for you’ comment (which will be 2 years old in just a couple weeks time, amazingly enough) was a comment on belves maybe getting blue eyes. Anyone remember the ‘contact lenses’ comment?
I get the strong feeling that by now its like they’re defending the ask because they don’t know what they’d do with their time if it wasn’t fussing about wanting helves.
But we warned them for literal years and outlined reasons it probably wouldn’t happen.
I’m just glad that belf players get something thats central to their heritage and a nice part of their lore that is finally concluding in a long arc from their starting zome quests when it was discovered that their eye color was changing in the first place. Things like this always belong in the hands of the people who love the race enough to enjoy them. Belf players have been asking for this since the end of BC.
i’m a high elf on the alliance. theres also unplayable high elves on the alliance. the horde want to get customizations exclusive to the unplayable high elves on the alliance, but they dont want us, who are on the alliance to have access to our own high elf customizations. and ion doesnt notice how odd that is.
I realize that you really wanted helves as an AR, but it makes a lot more sense to give it as a customization to the playerbase that already exists. Making an entire copy of the race to the other faction for the lulz would have been fundamentally silly and also damage the faction wall. Velves were already at the edge of that line anyways.
Alliance players are never going to be “grateful” for what they got for one simple reason: They didn’t ask for it. Sure, they got two races with nice racials, but, neither of them were the ones they wanted. If you look at the numbers, Kul-tirans are the ~least~ played race in WoW and have achieved almost exclusive domination of rank 440-450 in the frequency of race-class combos.
It’s like telling your spouse, for years, you want one specific thing for Christmas. It’s not even a big thing. It’s probably less work and costs less than what they actually got you. But, your spouse keeps giving you things that you never asked for and don’t really want or need instead.
That is why Alliance is never going to be universally happy about mechagnomes and kul’tirans. It’s also why it’s futile to tell us we should be grateful. Are you grateful for the 20th pair of socks on Xmas? Some people genuinely are. -Most- are not.
(As an aside, I am actually pro-faction dissolution or for an increased number of neutrals myself. My ideal take would be that everyone gets to pick the POLITICAL group they support per expac per character. You don’t need much else, really. Nameplates on hostiles are already red and playing without them is not something I see frequently.)
Wrong. It’s like saying asking your spouse to get you your neighbors car and they say “Well, they told me they won’t ever sell it because It’s been in their family” and they try to get you a similar looking one and you saying “NO, I literally want you to take their car and give it to me! If you don’t, then you don’t care about me!”
Are you going to tell me you think anyone on the horde said “I want taurens but literally the only difference is one has moose horns” ? You don’t see horde making threads complaining about how much they hate high mountain and how nobody asked for them and how the game is biased towards the alliance.
They also have void elves though, the most played AR in the game.
I’m sorry but there’s literally a mechagnome appreciation thread where alliance players are talking about how much they love them and how they’re annoyed when other alliance players say “nobody asked for mechagnomes” and state that “they’re just people who wanted setharak instead”
I’m sorry, but people really need to stop saying things like “Everyone on the alliance didn’t want this” No. YOU didn’t want it. Speak for yourself.
Considering all the allied races have literally the most over powered racials in the game, it’s why people can’t take people getting upset over them seriously.
The horde got races they didn’t ask for AND they all have racials WORSE than their counter parts.
Nightborn literally only have 3 classes that can truly take full advantage of their racials as it’s tied to 1% magical damage…and they can summon a mailbox, something you get as a toy anyway.
Meanwhile void elves can literally teleport…as a racial. They have a passive damage trinket that works with any spec in the game…
Dark iron dwarves can remove all DOT effects and actually GAIN a MAIN stat buff for each one removed…that’s factually one of the most overpowered racial abilities in the game.
The comparison only works if your neighbour has a car and you need to ride a bicycle to work every day.
You also keep making this about the racial abilities. No one who wants Helves even remotely cares about them or plays WoW for that reason. They have precious little to do with the discussion. If you want them so badly, you can have them. As long as we can have the elves we actually asked for.
Mostly, Alliance wants helves because they’ve been part of Alliance identity since WC3.
Personally, I’ve never cared much about racials. Sure, the lightbulb nuke I use in pvp is “strong”, but suffice to say, a once per 3 minutes ability is not a gameplay decider for me. Neither is faster crafting, because “craft all” just means “go do something afk anyway”. I don’t really care how fast it is. I have other things to do with my time when I’m crafting that have nothing to do with WoW.
Honestly, to me it is. I don’t play things because of “the racials” or how good they are at PvP. I am already very good at PvP in most games I play. Something that happens once every few minutes is not going to make or break an encounter for me. It definitely is about the lore and about the aesthetics. A good portion of that is probably the RP crowd, too, which wants to, y’know, actually be able to play a helf without having to declare their character as one in their TRP, while the model is a velf or god forbid, a mechagnome.
It’s definitely NOT the mechanics and raiding crowd. At least not the portion of it where there’s no overlap.
That’s what people already do, really. But I can’t fault them for at the very least wanting their model ingame to actually look like a helf. Personally, I’d be happy with that. I’m just overreaching a bit to make that a more attractive middle ground
people need to learn that the faction barrier exist for one reason, and they can’t simple make an exception for elves because they think they are special
Ok, you go to the Silver Covenant areas in Crystalsong Forest, or Quel’danil Lodge as a Horde player, then tell us that they are not hostile to the Horde.
