Bro relax nobody seriously thinks DH needs to be nerfed. The fact people unironically already think a nerf to destro is a nerf to havoc blows my mind enough as it is…
I mean Havoc is clearing higher keys and is ranked higher in the raid than a decent amount of other DPS. Roughly middle of the pack and in some cases even upper middle. I don’t think you are seeing a buff unless you are bottom of the pack across the board. I know everyone wants their spec to be broken like destro, but it’s just not realistic. Plus it seems like they are rotating the Meta around each patch, so you will have your day eventually lol.
Yea except the classes that are currently weak have a dps spec that’s better than Havoc. DH only has Havoc.
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While that is true, the people that are going to swap specs to chase meta or be closer to it are going to swap regardless of if it’s in their class or not. It’s nearly as easy for you to swap from DH to Destro as it is for me to go from Arcane to Fire mage now.
Not even remotely the same as just swapping specs lmfao. Plus I’m the only DH in my guild, they need the 5% buff for raid. I can’t swap even if I wanted to.
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Idiotic comment… did I read that right? Changing from arcane to fire spec is the same as a dh going from melee to a ranged destro spec?
F*** sinful brand Trash a** play style
Blizzard probably wants havoc demon hunters to go spend some $$ buying legendary gems on Diablo immortal. By your logic should be easy for us demonhunters to swap to that demonhunter also
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I said nearly. Still have to completely re-gear, craft new Lego, level up new cov, etc. only thing I don’t have to do is level, but most people have toons leveled by now on each class if you’ve been playing this expansion. Really isn’t that much work. I made a destro lock and was running 15s in less than a week. Point being, it’s not hard to reroll if all you care about is damage, but if you like your spec, just stick it out…it’s doing better than a fair amount of others and maybe you will get lucky in the next meta shuffle.
Well if you dont have excess gear just filling your bags from saving it for other specs while youve been playing since this tier came out…then you obviously arent the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Also dont have all of your covenants at 80 yet on your main? Brother, do you even play this game?
Basically the only reason its so much work for you to play anothrr spec is because you are lazy, and not smart for saving gear from doing content you passively do on your main. I mean i dunno what to say other than straight up… WHAT?!
lol, i can now disregarde anything you have to say as you are clearly out of touch.
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Nothing against Veng DH, I might have to switch to Veng… but of all the 20+ keys I’ve ran this week, Venge already can tank and almost out DPS me, I mean we are talking about 1 to 2% difference here. Imagine after the update… They can solo dungeons, no question.
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Yep it’s decent in raid because of its single target damage. That’s all the spec does now is single target damage. Havoc is also clearing higher keys more than some of the other specs because of its kit, utility and chaos brand. Not because of the damage it does. But other classes have just as good utility/cc/provide a buff while also being able to do good damage.
But blizzard doesn’t look at that I guess, they just see the purple bar in the middle of the pack and think all is well.
Personally I don’t want it to be broken like destro because then that just makes you a target waiting to get nerfed. I just want to be able to step into a dungeon and actually play the game while not hating every second of it during the run. And then afterwards just to see myself closer to the tanks than the real dps classes on the meters for overall. I could live with the spec doing bad damage if it was fun to play, I made it work in 9.0. Or I could deal with the spec being unfun to play but performing very well which in turn makes it kinda fun for me. But I really can’t handle it being both unfun to play and trash in keys.
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Sorry but saying a class/spec needs a nerf when they are not op isnt a joke. Because blizzard will probably nerf them. Blizzard has a bad habit of knee jerk nerfing specs instead of looking at the full issue and the nerf hits all aspects of the game.
So saying its a joke yea sorry something like that isnt funny because blizzard could do it.
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I just love how they buffed the Damage aspect of Vengeance when the Defensive options needed more of a buff outside of the RNG of the CDR of the 4 piece and Eye Beam Reset Legendary. For Mythic Raiding, Tank DH needed more of a buff to Demon Spikes for more consistent tank mitigation. But obviously I’m more enraged that Havoc saw zero changes.
Sure it’s good for ST, it’s decent in raid. But man the main reason why I play this game is the M+. I would love to just play my main class and push 28+ with my boys without having to do the most OPTIMAL comps to play around my outclassed spec. I don’t have time to make an alt to do so nor the passion to play another class.
All we ask for is a small buff to our AOE, we don’t need to be stronger than Hunter or Warlock or whatever. Just enough to do damage comparable to the other meta classes.
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That assumes I would ever reroll mage spec. I wouldn’t. I main Arcane no matter how it’s doing. I’ll mess around with other specs for alts, but this is always my main.
That really has nothing to do with the original post though…. Point I was making is if you complain about damage for Havoc, you have a relatively long line of specs in front of you doing worse. If you don’t like the play style of sinful brand, that’s fair, but you know it’s not going away until the next expansion.
What list? There’s maybe 2-3 specs worse than Havoc right now for keys and raid.
Looks like Havoc is 15th out of 24 on overall damage in raid (higher than 9 specs) and 10th out of 24 on pure boss damage in raid (higher than 14 specs). Harder to say for keys, but based on highest keys completed, looks like they are in the ballpark of 8th to 10th overall, so above 14 specs at a minimum. Pretty much lines up with my comment that they are a middle of the class spec and in some cases an upper middle/lower top end spec. Now the argument about the build not being liked that gets you there is valid, but from a buff/nerf perspective, there isn’t grounds to justify it over other specs until it is performing much worse.
i don’t think you are understanding the comments at all.
Havocs issue is based in the fact that on our own we do no damage. This results in poor AoE damage due to the fact that unless we have sinful brand up from our meta which is a 3.5 minute CD we do zero damage because our baseline kit hasn’t been tuned at all.
In single target we also suffer from bad rng. no resets on your chaos strike to reduce eyebeam = no damage because eyebeam is what extends your dot. This requires good uptime and smart play.
We rely entirely on this dot, without it we do no damage. and blizzard literally stated in Season 1 when this happened to WARRIORS with their covenant ability being the only thing that did damage that this should never happen. Please speak more on things you know nothing about. It’s people like you that work at blizzard, zero understanding of how to actually look at logs. You can’t just quickly glaze through some data without any context and just assume things are fine because of x. Seriously, I suggest you learn how to actualize data before you speak again.
Not once did i mention Single target. We are talking AoE. Again, pulling data from something that has nothing to do with what i’m talking about. Look at warlocks, they reign them in because of AoE specifically targeted at keys, and WW monk recieved similar buffs but for ST because in AoE for keys this already excel. Havoc should recieve similar treatment, we are a cleave spec…doing zero cleave.
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What you don’t get though is a guild needs a Havoc for the 5% magic buff and the game is dead. The amount of guilds doing mythic and DH being required for the group is going to prop the spec up on said chart.
Doesn’t mean it’s better than slightly worse specs that bring nothing to the group. Most of those specs actually do more damage than Havoc, but have less utility.
I can say without a doubt if DH didn’t have the 5% raid buff I would be sat for multiple bosses in the raid.
Brandy, my man, you raging lol. I agreed with your point. I just said it’s not likely changing until next expansion at this point. Why are you mad?
My damage and ranking comments were in response to Lsr…not you. Lsr implied that Havoc was doing worse than they actually are in keys and raid.
raid we are fine for pure ST, but anything that has cleave we suffer greatly.
Our issue as i’ve said multiple times, is the fact that our baseline toolkit does no damage. Just because a class completes higher keys, mind you 25 keys aren’t even remotely close in difficulty to the highest keys being done, nor do they require absurd dps to complete. So your statement on “class is fine because havoc does keys above 25” is moot. Just because a class does those keys, doesn’t actuate into dealing damage.
Honestly, the fact you even just browse graphs and stats with zero context baffles me. the fact anyone does that baffles me. You’ve been hand served context, and continue to rip the whole “this class is doing x content, or this class is here on x graph” like honestly, i dunno what to tell you other than you have no idea what you’re talking about. Here i’ll do it for you.
cleave fight - Anduin
consistent cleave fight - Lords
more cleave - Xymox
Pure ST - Skolex
pretty much pure ST
See the pattern? you can’t look at overall statistics with zero context and just assume you know what you are doing. Want me to get more in depth? i’ll grab you statistics on targetted damage, whatever you want. like honestly my guy, get real.
and the only reason we even do even bottom tier mid pack dps on those cleave fights is due to the cache trinket, that’s it. an RNG trinket that we have to roll axe on, have to line it up with eyebeam and meta or it does nothing.
Havoc Damage breakdown for Anduin Mythic.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vz83aJ9rk4gBXWNY#fight=53&type=damage-done&source=94
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Okay, you looked at 90th instead of 95th. Either way, I see a line of specs in front of you doing worse, do you not?
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