Judgement of the Pure Nerfed (notes)

Yea its literally rated skirms. How else do you explain a full pve geared enhance shammy with 480cr landing in a 2100 lobby? Premier bracket ladies and gentlemen

I think that initial placements could be a tad less influential.

Iā€™m so tired

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Around and around we go.

Of course you can, but toll every minute pretty much gives a guaranteed trap break already since youā€™re not even having to worry about rng at that point

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Rets are almost balanced now, all they need to do is nerf their burst by another 20%, delete spellwarding, increase BoSalv CD to 1.5m, nerf shield of vengeance and divine protection by 50%, and wings by 50% and theyā€™ll finally be balanced

Nah, skirms donā€™t ramp dampening up that fast, nor does it do that weird shuffle thing that doesnā€™t benefit healers

Yea but what class can passively cc dispel like rets can? There is no reason for an enternal cc when you still have all the tools to help your team with bop, sanc, freedom, spell immuneā€¦ what more do you want?

The 3v3 ladder right now is 76% Ret activity above 2300cr, you really dont see that as a massive problem? And blizzard didnt gut the talent, it still dispels yourself every 5 seconds or so if you choose to run it.

I really cant understand your point when the ladder is so massively imbalanced, jotp single handley gatekept all dot classes from playing the gameā€¦ from today we should see a whole range of classes back on the ladder, which is always a great thing no matter what you think about it!

Just my two cents

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The game is not worth logging into.
There was zero damage nerfs to a completely broken spec.

Their damage is crazy but I donā€™t think thatā€™s really the biggest problem; itā€™s just their actual kill windows are up faster than peoples defensive eventually, and they have enough defensive available for pmuch all teams offensive windows

Like you donā€™t just necessarily straight up lose, you just eventually do and donā€™t get win conditions

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You sweet summer child

Judgement is instant cast AOE chaos bolt
Iā€™ve been templar verdicted for 181k
The class is top cleave DPS in PvE
The class is top DPS in every BG

They obviously have insane damage and Iā€™m not denying that, but I think having high damage isnā€™t necessarily the largest issue with them

It is because they have a fun support utility based toolkit and they canā€™t do the most damage in game while also having all those tools. However, they should keep those tools or else theyā€™re just pink warriors.

I donā€™t think they should lose the tools either, just 1 min on sac/wings (considering duration) and dp all just baseline are really oppressive