Thinking about the dozen Rets saying that they wouldn’t tweak it because “it has been a thing for years”.
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How is this nice? JoTP has existed for years without being OP. They literally just needed to slap an ICD on it similar to judge’s old CD to keep it inline with was working and not OP.
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Talent was just too good for too low of skill involved. If they were in a bad place, I’d be fine with them just getting an actual cleanse back, because at least that takes skill to see your partner in cc, and then proceed to cleanse it in a timely manner… but building in auto IWIN buttons into damage skills is just dumb. They aren’t in a bad place though, so I don’t really see that being necessary either way.
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rofl im not a ret, i play hpriest and pres and think its a Terrible change too. The JoTP was only Suddenly OP due to the frequency that rets can use it now. The correct answer was to establish an ICD on the ability not completely Gut it.
Many classes can dispel cc off their healer. Ret being one of them since tbc I believe.
why is the language always the same with these people? using words like “cry baby” and “ret has always been bad.”
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Limited vocabulary.
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Mass Dispel. Specific use-cases like decurse or freedom for root beam. Warlock imp (for which you lose kick, and it can be counterplayed). DH on a 1m that requires close vicinity.
I wouldn’t really call that “many classes” and all of them involve significantly more effort and are less available than JotP.
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With blessing of spellwarding not appearing on the 10.1 PTR currently, Ret is just going to have no good PvP talents besides Sanc?
I wish they were more creative with PvP talents.
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Swarden your healer out of the trap lol
It’s always been good it’s just most rets are bad at the game and don’t have the awareness to understand when they need to hold judge for a few globals because CC was coming for their healers.
Friend of mine Q’d cupid to like 3k in unchained and they would absolutely never lose to jungle or RMP because of how good he was with sanc / Judge of the pure. It’s always been busted, most rets are just bad. Difference being now that judgement is sent and cleaves in the rework these 1200 rets are just accidentally dispelling everything in the game
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It was added in shadowlands
It had far more talent competition for ret paladins then
Ret paladins also played Necrolord and not Kyrian by then so no access to divine toll + JoTP interactions
They also had single judge charge
JoTP and spellwarding along with strong off healings were things that actually did make prot paladin playable - with JoTP even allowing AWC teams to run a prot paladin as their healer because it covered having a magic dispel.
So they pretty much gave ret everything that even made prot paladins good in shadowlands minus having ancient queen and people are surprised somehow that they ended up being busted - I promise you if you ever fought prot in Shadowlands you would have seen how toxic that talent was to begin with (since they again had access to 2 judge charges and would be able to play Kyrian then). Fighting prot paladins with a healer was absurdly toxic and dampened games to the max.
The funny thing is JoTP is also even more insane in a shuffle environment and with shuffle being the premiere mode, it’s ruined it the entire week but 3s also has been ruined
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I liked the change, let see now what will be the next complain 
next up is wings duration. and BM hunters.
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Tbh i wouln’t be against if they remove wings and distribute the dmg across our abilities. I was hoping for a talent to maybe exchange wings for some other gameplay mechanic or passive,
So aff/spriest/ele still will not be able to dot ret, but at least they can dot up the rest of the team and cc them too.
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UA does a lot of damage.
Those look like typical ret fried rice comments on arena forums too though
They just nerfed bm hunters and they’re nowhere near as broken as rsham or ele sham XD
Yes they are lol.
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Yeah needs to be gone completely, and nerf some of their defensives and damage. Crazy how many nerfs they still need to be brought back to other class levels.