i don’t have toll, i’ll be saccing you here.
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If you are using toll to get the initial cc, the bonus judge will not matter against most comps.
Also what exactly is sac supposed to do here?
sac prevents cross
what’s the counterplay to rotating two one minute abilities that completely nullify a 30 sec CD cc on the healer?
you’ll say i should kill the ret now, right?
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That was half the classes being in an arena if you cued as a ret paladin before the rework, hurts don’t it
I mean, you can stun the ret. Also if you force sac on a target, most of the time you generally don’t want to train through it. It is a 30% damage reduction.
so the counterplay is to stun the ret, as we cross the 2nd dps, as we trap the healer… in an effort to kill a ret paladin
but if we ever play in an attempt to kill the other dps, we’re going to have to cover ret with incaps or fears without sac being up, as we stun the dps, as we trap the healer… all at the same time
just because you can press judgment every 5ish seconds ?
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Why exactly are we crossing the 2nd dps here? I mean against ret war it makes sense, but it’s pretty much the same thing against dh, sp, enh, and ele. If your going for something like scatter trap or intim trap you need to cover for reverse, md, and grounding. And if the other dps is something like a warrior then generally you’d wanna cover them also since intervene prevents a lot of your damage.
I mean lots of hunter comps have easy ways to cover ret.
Thug, cheap shot, gouge, scatter.
Jungle, Maim, bash, scatter
Cupid, uh not so much but we generally just stun ret when we can’t scatter him.
phdk, you’ve got me here, but that comp doesn’t need cc to win anyways it;s just a bonus sometimes. But on the 1 minute go you do have scatter and dk blind.
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Oh wow thanks for this information
Thanks to you now I have just learned that judge dispel is bad
In fact no ret paladins should ever take it, so it should just get changed into something else
Awful
Hmm
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Judgment of the Pure is absolutely same nonsense like Pure of Heart talent in Legion, where it was passive ability that was dispelling poisons and diseases every 0,5 seconds and makes assassination rogues with Unholy Dks unplayable for one season, before it was finally removed from game.
No dps class should have that kind of dispel in their toolkit ever.
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Man your quite the unlikable person aren’t you dilly?
Like take more than 2 seconds and try reading. Maybe you’ll be able to realize I have not once endorsed the current iteration of the ability. Or just continue to harp on tiny points that are correct haha. It’s what you do best!
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It doesn’t prevent stuns, which is what you would use to cross the pally when his healer is in a trap. Every meta hunter comp has 2 stuns.
I’m glad you’re proving my point man. Keep it up!
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Do you disagree the ability has counterplay.
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It’s not just trap. It’s literally moving the dots off for entire dps specs and completely invalidating how they do damage by passively doing your damage rotation.
Ret dealing with toxic design doesn’t mean it’s allowed to be toxic now.
That doesn’t make it fine and also things change grandpa.
I’m not mad. I’m pointing out the fact rets busted and it’s heavily fried to try to pretend like that isn’t the case.
This victim complex is starting to get on par with mages and rogues.
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Can someone explain how the dispel works? is it a talent and they cast judgement and it dispels a buff on the enemy? or a debuff on themselves/group? I dont remember them having a dispel before this mention but i barely touch pally
Dispel traps, poly, other magic CC. It’s not like it only removes dots.
It definitely triggers flame shock and vt backlash, not sure on ua but I would think so since it triggers the others.
on one hand, sometimes they just keep killing themselves with judgement with my UA, on the other, its spam dispelling all my stuff and I literally cannot play the game against them and a healer… I do zero damage.
and before you say “its a counter” a counter is a MW who can revival and remove all my dots every min or so… not someone spam dispelling while doing their damage rotation nullifying my damage.
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That’s the issue. It’s too good for it to be a passive on such a short rotation.