Jaina's character progression discussion

[Amadis-draka (Amadis)]

@Veloran-wyrmrest-accord

Yes, there was. Because there was a peace treaty after Wrath, and the Horde kept it’s territory in Ashenvale. The treaty didn’t kick them out, they retained what they had.

There was a peace treaty during the comics as well, and the Horde were still being kicked out of Ashenvale in the comic as well. There is no evidence of the Horde gaining new rights to Ashenvale after Wrath. If anything, you yourself described the Horde losing more rights to Ashenvale after Wrath.

@Veloran-wyrmrest-accord

Remember, the Night Elves once nearly killed Grom and the Warsong clan for harvesting in the forest, so from Garrosh’s perspective he would need to back the lumber efforts with force in order to ensure that they weren’t disrupted or destroyed by Night Elven attack.

This even further implicates that the Horde had no holding over the land or the trees, as such, invasion.

@Veloran-wyrmrest-accord

That was vanilla, Cata was Cata. Two different time periods, circumstances change.

You of all people are claiming this now?

@Veloran-wyrmrest-accord

If we don’t have evidence stating those settlements were abandoned, we must assume the status quo of how they were last known, which is that they were still active.

That’s the difference between us here. I’m saying, “We don’t know, so we should assume no changes”, while you’re saying “We don’t know, so we should assume these changes”. In the absence of knowledge on the matter, the first position is far more reasonable.

Also, that guide I quote from was added back in 2013, well after Cataclysm:

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