Here is the problem, the horde never has been in the right during the WoW era.
Sure, daelin attacking at the time he did was wrong. but that was WC3.
That doesn’t mean that the alliance is exactly “clean”.
But please, name me one instance of the alliance doing “bad things” that isn’t reacting to a previous horde action that was considerable worse to what the alliance does in return.
Even jaina killing some “innocents” in the purge of dala is literally reacting to a previous horde action when those sunreavers betrayed dalaran in two occassions and one of them being the one who destroyed her city.
Thinking a while back when we were fighting a common enemy the horde stab the alliance in the back like in the whratgate and the broken front of icc.
so apologies if i don’t see the horde actions in a sympathetic way.
What? i never said that this was right and i understand that helping their supposed enemies is bad, no one is denying that.
Of course that having your supposed enemy as your friend is wrong in a context of faction war when you are supposed to feel pride for your faction. Not being saved by your enemy. that must suck and i do sympatize with the feel.
sure as hell i remember it with thrall.
Because leaders are supposed to represent their people, the best and the worst of those who they lead. and it happens to be that sylvanas was the supreme leader of that faction meaning that all her actions can be easily attributed to the entire faction. considering that is the nature of the position.
And while it doesn’t make jaina exactly “good” at least she isn’t as rotten (put intended) as her apparent counterpart of the other faction.
i never once did this. not sure where you got the idea that i was advodcating for this.
well it happens that she didn’t exactly did the same things as the horde so she simply cannot apology for something that she didn’t do.
This idea that she, or the horde can be seen as the same level is simply wrong.
in any case, the ones who did a speech was anduin, not her.
What are you even talking about SHE SHOULN’T BE THEIR FRIENDS.
SHE IS NOT THE FRIEND OF THE HORDE PLAYER she is simply the friend of baine and thrall. why do you think that she should be portrayed like this in the first place’.
Not sure why is a ad-hominem attack i am not personally attacking anyone.
i never denied that horde side has valid complains, but i don’t agree some of their arguments such as “the alliance is as bad as the horde because hmm…camp taco…?”
Because the horde, with their warchief is supposed to be the entire horde.
So any action that the “horde” does is shared as whole because the “warchief” is the one who wants it.
there is a reason on why the position was removed, you know.
i don’t refer the alliance as the same way because is not ruled by just 1 person (in theory at least).
What exactly makes you think that i am saying an “alliance POV” as “how things are” are you willing to challenge the things i just said?
did i said something wrong? i am not correct when i say that the blizzard made the horde the villains that are actually in the wrong?
I didn’t said that their players don’t have valid complains, but the faction, in the story was written this way.
is not that “their opinion doesn’t matter” is just that blizzard, in the way they wrote the story simply portrayed the horde in the wrong, so what their players only can do is to try to justify their actions in the story as hard as possible to not get into their idea that their faction sucks. i do not blame them for it.
i blame blizzard for putting them and us into this position, nobody wants this.
well i think we all feel that they just don’t listen, how we can talk to them without crossing the line of harassment?.
they just probably don’t care.
we don’t really have any true evidence that it was she the one who orderes such attacks. and really, she, of all people starting an invasion of conquest for no reason?
apparently, he could not predict everything, hm?.
but just to be clear, i am all in for characters who makes mistakes. reason why such character shouln’t have died, but i am repeating myself. enough.
Not only this but also in the way their helped the horde during this war after the horde genocide .
Sure,you know who else had a lot for the world? The alliance, does that makes it okay?. i guess not. : p
Yes, i don’t seeing a will to actual even consider another point of view because it may taint your view over the facts.
you admited that you prefer ingame lore so in other words, is headcannon.
i do agree that retcons sucks but we can’t just ignore them.
i know what they said and i said that the nelfs and worgens aren’t exactly happy with it.
if arathi bringed something interesting to the table then sure but so far it only seems to be stormwind 2.0 with prettier buildings. Meh.
Fair enough.
well just to be clear i don’t really agree with the direction blizzard has been doing with the factions and where they remove any sigh of grey for the alliance because it only creates anger and frustration for not letting us actually strike back at the villains they created for us.
Fair enough.
i wish they listened where it actually matters, in darkshore when nelfs were switching sides for no reason.
well i am sorry if am a little at the defensive, but in my experience liking something about the alliance is apparently wrong, is instantly attacked and being laught at for liking it in the first place, one can get tired easily.
Oh i know the problem of generalizing but sadly my bad experiences with horde players are many, i know is wrong, i know that is not exactly ideal but like i said, it is just my experience and way to approach it.
Well no one is obligating anyone to reply me, i am not “baiting” for fun i just speak what i think is the thruth, nothing more. can i be wrong? of course.
Good day.
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