The only difference between Jaina and Sylvanas, is some one stopped Jaina from murdering a city full of innocents (Thrall stopping Jaina from obliterating the entire civilian population of Orgrimmar). Sylvanas didnt have anyone that did that for her at Teldrassil, and on top of that, undeath erodes ones morals. What excuse did Jaina have?
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jaina had actually friends that could stop her from descending into darkness.
Sylvanas did not. her sisters want her dead and see her as a monster.
maybe it was because the horde destroyed her city and killed her people despite all her sacrifies for peace.
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And what does that have to do with murdering an entire city full of innocents? I.E. Orgrimmar.
Also Sylvanas had tons of friends. They all were murdered, along with 90% of the Elf race. Until recently, Jaina didnt have many friends at home, they were about to hang her for murdering her father.
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That jaina had friends who stopped her and convinced to stop.
considering what happened, in my opinion she should have done it.
Yes, and those were the nelfs? because at least jaina was directing her attemped genocide to the actual responsibles for her hate.
Correct but we are talking about different timelines here. during the legion era she was alone and didnât had anyone else.
we are talking about the mop era.
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Blood elf thread.
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If you think the random women and children in Orgrimmar deserved to be killed by Jaina over what Garrosh did, maybe you deserved Teldrassil and the loss of Gilneas. Now that I recall, Theramore never stopped attacking Orcish trade caravans, until Garrosh wiped Theramore off the map.
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colateral damage, garrosh didnât do it alone, it was the horde who did it, in real world this would be a MAD (mutual assured destruction).
Spacegoating to one person seems to be the favorite horde sport.
but at the end of the day,she didnât do it because her morals stopped her and later she was ashamed
while the horde, did and never regretted it
so who is worse here? because pretty sure that is a red faction that i know.
Of course they did, theramore was an alliance city and as such they have a duty to help their allyes from the horde aggresion.
The horde started that war.
unless you think that they should have abandoned the alliance and let their allyes killed by the horde.
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Problem is, the timespan up until WoTLK the horde and alliance were still technically at peace. But Theramore never stopped indirectly attacking the horde, like raiding Trade Caravans.
Also, if the civilians in Orgrimmar were fair game in a war, then so were the civilians on Teldrassil, one could argue they were providing food and making the weapons to the night elf army. And thus were legitimate targets of war. You cant have it both ways.
Most of the horde army was not even in Orgrimmar when Jaina wanted to obliterate it, they were off fighting the war on the front. The city was mostly civilians. And she knew that.
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During the vainilla-wotlk era? i think that those who wanted to attack were either daelin loyalist or kultirans who wanted revenge. while jaina had to deal with they trying to take her out from power. in both vainilla and cata.
Now, during cata, i am pretty sure that war was started by horde aggression when garrosh invaded ashenvale trying to defeat the nelfs.
i didnât said that they were fair game, i said colateral damage. considering that is the seat of power of the horde, that does make it a legit military tarjet, just like theramore right? in fact, all cities are military targets because the military is created to protect their people in the first place.
And? her attack is completely justified considering that the same horde destroyed her city in the first place. so why she canât retaliate?
oh right, stupid morals stopped her. i think that you should be glad that she regretted. because the war following that event would have end up with everyone dead. and i mean EVERYONE. the legion comes and conquer azeroth.
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Well, you are not wrong that Blizz was attempting to follow the Arthas parallels in that both were tempted into falling into obsession. However, the difference really boils down to Jaina had people she was still willing to listen to; and who cared enough to challenge her choices on her behalf. In this case, Kalec. Sylvanas had no one willing to do the same, because sheâs a rabid control freak who can only trust those she has full authority over. Those she allowed close to her are only those that would never think to challenge her.
Jaina was pushed to the brink of her Stratholme, and Kalec cared enough to drag her back from it. Sylvanas was pushed to the brink with Gilneas, and no one did the same. Honestly, Teldrassil isnt really that surprising when you realize she had already pulled a Teldrassil in Cata.
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This really makes a Night Elf understand how people feel about us.
i like to take her both of them as faces of the same coin, the difference is that the coin fallen into one side, and the other had taken the darker route.
jaina was really going to let vengeance consume her and become 100 % daelin but the difference is that people around her managed to pull her out of it she even says it herself, that she found healing in kultiras. she has her nation and family back. so she still has emotional pillars that support her, so she once again has something to lose.
Sylvanas in the other hand has a similar story but she doesnât really have anyone, and when she tried to reconnect with her sisters, veressa for example, she felt betrayed and now her sisters, the only family she had left wants her dead and see her just as a monster.
so thats the difference for me, one still has a family, the other became lonely and went to⊠lets say a darker path.
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Eh, debatable, Jaina has always been portrayed as someone inclined to reason/peace, after all that happened to her back then it stands to reason that she would want to obliterate Orgrimmar. Was it justified? Arguably yes, or no. If we go by the ââeye for an eyeââ way of thinking then sure, the Horde (Yes, THE HORDE, regardless if some leaders thought it was not the way Garrosh was their leader and represented their actions) played a dirty tactic so striking with equal force wouldnât have been too far fetched.
Sylvanas on the other hand already won the battle, had the intention of invading the tree, but one Elf pissed her off and then she ka-boomed the tree, not to mention itâs already been stated that Sylvanas has always been the way she is in life as she is currently in Undeath.
So no, both characters have complete opposite personalities and the circumstances for both the attempted Drowning of Orgrimmar vs the Burning of Teldrassil are greatly different.
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And notice even with Vareesa, she couldnât help herself but try to gain control over her. She couldnât let herself just have a relationship with her. So, she manipulated Vareesaâs grief in an attempt to push her to killing Garrosh and ostracizing herself from the Alliance; isolating her so sheâd have no-one else to turn to by Sylvanas herself. Then sheâd kill and raise her sister into undeath ⊠and for Sylvie that clearly does come with a âservitudeâ implication attached.
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Sorry to break it to you honey, but Jaina had to deal with Daelin loyalists and bitter humans that wished ill on the Orcs, if you quest in Theramore you are sent to deal with them trying to make the guards take up arms again.
Not to mention in one of the books (the name escapes my mind) when one of her high-ranking members started to work with Demons trying to make the Alliance and Horde fight again, when Jaina found out she was so pissed she pretty much vaporized the poor guy. Unlike Garrosh who reveled in the carnage.
Depends on the intensity of the War, both were not of the same caliber, one had a super weapon thrown at a city and the other was defendants vs attackers (your usual war).
Source?
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I always found it weird that Sylvanas wanted to assassinate Garrosh more than Vereesa did. Garrosh was responsible for the death of Vereesaâs husband and leaving her two children fatherless. He just called Sylvanas a rude word and got some Forsaken (who she does or doesnât care about?) killed.
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They both have blood on their hands. This is still a poor comparison, and your arguments and rebuttals disagree with each other.
Much like Jaina losing Theramore doesnât excuse her attempt to wipe out Orgrimmar, Sylvanas ânot having friendsâ (more like not desiring anyone) and undeath are paltry attempts at absolvement.
The key difference between these two is that Jaina at least understands what she did was wrong. Sheâs at least tried, several times, to rise above her hatred by working alongside the Horde leaders for the greater good.
What has Sylvanas done in any possible way to atone for all of the sick evils she has committed?
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i think this happened in cycle of hatred?
one would think that it was because he was using forsakens as cannon fodder, but apparently she never really cared about them so 
yes it does, you respond fire with fire. eye for an eye.
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Again, debatable, if youâre one of those people that are ââgood above all elseââ or the condescending bunch that look down on others trying to get equal retribution then you could say that.
But by all means, you attack me I hit back.
You wipe my city with a dirty tactic, I wipe yours too.
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Thatâs incredibly outmoded moral dictum. No innocent in Theramore deserved to die. No innocent in Orgrimmar deserves to die. They are both nonparties in that conflict, and murdering them in the name of vengeance is heinous and only feeds into a twisted cycle of reprisal.
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